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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 2/13/25 at 3:23 am to
Posted by Stinger_1066
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Posted on 2/13/25 at 3:23 am to
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I will communicate with Putin frequently by phone and look forward to his visit to the United States .

Putin will be arrested and brought before the Hague if he leaves the Russia/China/North Korea/Iran Axis of Evil...


And who will arrest him if he flies from Moscow to DC?

Do you even think before you post stupid shite?

Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 2/13/25 at 5:14 am to
You think the Ukrainians are a lot more big brained about this than they actually are.

Giving up minerals for aid makes sense because there is no other option. And it really doesn't matter to them if they follow through or not, they just need to get to the finish line of this conflict and deal with the consequences later.
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 2/13/25 at 5:15 am to
Lee wants Ukraine in NATO so so so bad

Yes it's just awesome adding yet another liability to an already bloated alliance
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 2/13/25 at 5:26 am to
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Giving up minerals for aid makes sense because there is no other option. And it really doesn't matter to them if they follow through or not, they just need to get to the finish line of this conflict and deal with the consequences later.


He makes a very valid point.

The US sent in the USMC to overthrow the Honduran government for the banana plantation threatened by new leadership. The term Banana Republic was coined for this. Additionally, the Republic of Panama was created by the US as carved out of Columbia so we could build the Panama Canal.

Trump has channeled Teddy Roosevelt in his first almost month in office.
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 2/13/25 at 5:38 am to
Russia's military spending surpasses Europe's as Putin ramps up war budget, study finds

by Olena Goncharova February 13, 2025 12:38 AM

Russia’s military spending, driven by President Vladimir Putin’s efforts to put the country’s economy on a war footing, has now surpassed the combined defense budgets of all European nations, according to a new study.

In 2024, Russia’s total defense expenditures surged by 42% in real terms, reaching 13.1 trillion rubles. When adjusted for purchasing power parity (PPP)—which accounts for differences in what money can buy in different countries—this amounts to $462 billion, according to the data by the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), the Financial Times reported.

By comparison, total defense spending across Europe, including the U.K. and EU member states, increased by nearly 12% last year to $457 billion, slightly trailing Moscow’s budget.

The IISS’s annual "Military Balance" report, which assesses global military capabilities and defense spending, highlights key security concerns for Europe—especially in light of the potential for reduced U.S. support for Ukraine and European defense.

The Kyiv Independent
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 2/13/25 at 5:49 am to
russian terrorism update

1 killed, 20 injured in Russian attacks across Ukraine over past day


by Tim Zadorozhnyy February 13, 2025 1:35 PM

Russian attacks on multiple Ukrainian regions killed at least one civilian and injured 20 over the past day, regional authorities reported on Feb. 10.

Overnight, Russia launched 140 Shahed-type combat and decoy drones, the Ukrainian Air Force said. Ukrainian air defenses shot down 85 drones across 10 oblasts, while 52 others were lost without causing damage.

In Kherson Oblast, one person was killed, and 10 others were injured as Russian troops hit residential areas and social infrastructure, damaging two high-rise buildings and 12 private houses, according to governor Oleksandr Prokudin.

In Donetsk Oblast, four residents were wounded in attacks on Katerynivka, Komar, and Nikiforivka, Governor Vadym Filashkin said.

In Sumy Oblast, Russian forces attacked 13 communities, injuring five people and damaging residential buildings, a school, and farm structures, local military administration reported.

In Odesa Oblast, shrapnel from a Russian drone strike hit a car, injuring a woman who was hospitalized in moderate condition, Governor Oleh Kiper reported.

In Zaporizhzhia Oblast, the attacks resulted in 20 reports of damage to apartments and private houses, but no casualties, Governor Ivan Fedorov said.

In Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, a Russian attack damaged 10 private houses, two outbuildings, power lines, and a gas pipeline, but no casualties were reported, Governor Serhii Lysak said.

The Kyiv Independent
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 2/13/25 at 5:53 am to
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 2/13/25 at 6:28 am to
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The US sent in the USMC to overthrow the Honduran government for the banana plantation threatened by new leadership. The term Banana Republic was coined for this. Additionally, the Republic of Panama was created by the US as carved out of Columbia so we could build the Panama Canal.

Trump has channeled Teddy Roosevelt in his first almost month in office.


Your issue is that you see Trump as highly valuing the rare earths.

Trump sees them as something that he can extract from a situation he is already in. He isn't going to send troops in for them because then his investment outweighs the value.

His entire presidency to this point has been about efficiency.... not creating new processes, but optimizing existing ones. We've already sent money to Ukraine, why not attempt to get something out of it?

To put it in simpler terms, he is buying the product because he has a coupon for it. If he didn't have the coupon, he doesn't want it enough to go and get it at full price.
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 2/13/25 at 6:31 am to
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But you bought into the crappy reporting from the likes of Tucker the Stupid Phucker


Does he work at the Washington Post now?

LINK
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 2/13/25 at 7:19 am to
A Carve-Up That Leaves Ukraine Sidelined

Even before President Volodymyr Zelenskiy arrives at the Munich Security Conference tomorrow to renew his case with the US for defending Ukraine’s independence, his country’s fate looks to have been sealed.

A sense of foreboding had been building. The day before Donald Trump got on the phone with Vladimir Putin, the US leader observed matter of factly that “Ukraine may be Russian some day.”

The full extent of what he meant became clear as the two presidents extended summit invitations to each other during yesterday’s 90-minute conversation. Forget about joining NATO or US boots on the ground. Ukraine would have to concede territory that Russia began seizing back in 2014.

Zelenskiy was notified almost as an FYI. His worst fear — that terms and conditions of a peace settlement were being agreed behind his back — was coming to pass.

His offerings of Ukraine’s critical minerals in return for protection carried little weight. US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent brought an economic-cooperation agreement to Kyiv for Ukraine to sign “in exchange” for continued support.

Bloomberg
Posted by Seldom Seen
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Posted on 2/13/25 at 7:22 am to
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 2/13/25 at 7:28 am to
It’s a no brainer to trade weapons for rare minerals and it begs the question, why didn’t Biden?
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 2/13/25 at 7:38 am to
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It’s a no brainer to trade weapons for rare minerals and it begs the question, why didn’t Biden?



I'm no Biden fan by any means, but theres a couple of things off the top of my head.

Its a bit exploitative. I'm not sure anyone except Trump would make that ask, or at least not publicly. I think liberals in particular find this kind of transactional foreign policy to be "neo-colonialism" or whatever other label they come up with to slap on things they don't like. Even though we all know Obama, Biden, the Clintons, etc all did this kind of stuff, just not openly like Trump.

Its also not great for morale for the Ukrainians. You've already seen some chat logs from Ukrainian soldiers basically saying "I will die for Ukraine, but not some American mine".

It also wasn't as clear exactly what territories will end up in Russia's hands vs Ukraine's. If peace actually is pretty close, we have a much clearer picture now.

I think one of the bigger questions I would have for Biden is.... why didn't you pick up the phone and talk to Putin like Trump has? If I recall correctly, Biden hadn't spoken to him since like 2021.
This post was edited on 2/13/25 at 7:39 am
Posted by Bunk Moreland
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Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:05 am to
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We want, like you, a sovereign and prosperous Ukraine. But we must start by recognizing that returning to Ukraine's pre-2014 borders is an unrealistic objective.

Chasing this illusionary goal will only prolong the war and cause more suffering.

A durable peace for Ukraine must include robust security guarantees to ensure that the war will not begin again.

This must not be Minsk 3.0.

That said, the United States does not believe that NATO membership for Ukraine is a realistic outcome of a negotiated settlement.

Instead any security guarantee must be backed by capable European and non-European troops.

If these troops are deployed as peacekeepers to Ukraine at any point, they should be deployed as part of a non-NATO mission. And they should not covered under Article 5. There also must be robust international oversight of the line of contact.

To be clear, as part of any security guarantee, there will not be U.S. troops deployed to Ukraine.

To further enable effective diplomacy and drive down energy prices that fund the Russian war machine, President Trump is unleashing American energy production and encouraging other nations to do the same. Lower energy prices coupled with more effective enforcement of energy sanctions will help bring Russia to the table.

Safeguarding European security must be an imperative for European members of NATO. As part of this Europe must provide the overwhelming share of future lethal and nonlethal aid to Ukraine.

LINK
This post was edited on 2/13/25 at 8:34 am
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:07 am to
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I think one of the bigger questions I would have for Biden is.... why didn't you pick up the phone and talk to Putin like Trump has? If I recall correctly, Biden hadn't spoken to him since like 2021.


I think the answer to this is fairly obvious, Biden wasn’t capable of going toe to toe with Putin.
Posted by VolSquatch
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Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:15 am to
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I think the answer to this is fairly obvious, Biden wasn’t capable of going toe to toe with Putin.



He isn't, but he also obviously thought he was. Its a sign to me that things in the WH were worse than I even thought (which was pretty bad to begin with). Someone either convinced or made him not do it, and we don't really know who for certain. Not knowing who was really running the country for 4 years is kind of a frightening thought, not even considering the fact that whoever this person is wasn't elected to do that.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:25 am to
I think Biden was much worse off than the public knew. Eventually it will all come out. The Dems and the media are still in head in sand mode. Maybe now that the government isn’t paying the media anymore, they might start doing their jobs.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:26 am to
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:37 am to
Trump will demand the EU pay for Ukraine’s reconstruction and send peacekeepers, according to Financial Times citing European officials

? “Trump sees us as money,” said one of the sources quoted by the newspaper.

?? According to him, the U.S. sees no role for Europe in solving key geopolitical issues.

?? Europe is generally concerned that Trump will not invite the EU to negotiations on Ukraine, but will demand it pay for the country’s reconstruction and send peacekeepers, as stated by more than ten senior EU officials to Financial Times.


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Posted by cypher
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Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:18 am to
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