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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 9/12/24 at 8:24 pm to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 8:24 pm to
Just remember it is Vladimar Putin who has your home address dialed in for the first nuke, and not anyone on this board.

I rather be called out LARPING, even though nothing even close, than be a full retard like you
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 8:30 pm to
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look at this loser named Elon Musk:

are you saying he isnt?
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150128 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 8:31 pm to
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If 90% of people thought like me about this war, it would have been over by April 2022.
you thought western europe was going to lose electricity, and freeze and starve to death by winter 2022/early 2023
Posted by texag7
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 8:32 pm to
Posted by Camp Randall
The Shadow of the Valley of Death
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 8:41 pm to
Somebody is bathing in the propaganda
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 9:06 pm to
ISW Update Sept 12th

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Key Takeaways:

Russian forces continued counterattacking throughout the Ukrainian salient in Kursk Oblast on September 12 but made only marginal gains, likely due to continued Ukrainian offensive operations and defensive counterattacks in the area.

Russian forces have so far advanced in areas of Kursk Oblast that Ukrainian forces were not yet fully controlling nor attempting to control, and Russian forces will likely face more difficulty when counterattacking further into areas of the salient where Ukrainian forces do have control.

A Ukrainian HIMARS strike reportedly damaged a temporary pontoon bridge across the Seym River and wounded a group of nearby Russian troops on September 12.

Russian authorities have reportedly deployed additional elements of the Russian 106th Airborne (VDV) Division to Kursk Oblast and may begin redeploying more combat experienced forces to support ongoing Russian counterattacks and future counteroffensive operations against Ukrainian forces in Russia.

The United Kingdom (UK) will reportedly allow Ukraine to use UK-provided long-range Storm Shadow missiles to strike military objects in Russia in the coming days.

Russian President Vladimir Putin continues rhetorical efforts aimed at influencing the ongoing Western policy debate about granting Ukraine permission to use Western-provided weapons against military objects in Russia, although Russia has not previously escalated militarily against perceived Western violations of Russia's "red lines."

Russian forces struck a civilian cargo ship transiting through the Ukrainian grain corridor in the western Black Sea on September 11, likely as part of a renewed Russian effort to undermine international confidence in the safety of the corridor.

Russia continued its efforts to enhance relations with non-Western countries at the meeting of BRICS high-ranking security officials and advisors in St. Petersburg.

Iran and Russia are downplaying their disagreement over the Zangezur Corridor project in the Caucasus.

Russia is continuing to balance its relationships with Iran and the Gulf states.

Russian investigative outlet Dossier Center published an investigation on September 12 into the Kremlin's efforts to consolidate its influence over the Russian information space via Telegram ahead of the full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Russian forces recently north of Chasiv Yar, southeast of Pokrovsk, and west of Donetsk City.

Former Roscosmos (Russian space agency) head and Zaporizhia Oblast occupation senator Dmitry Rogozin claimed on September 12 that the first group of the newly-formed "BARS-Sarmat" volunteer detachment (Russian Combat Army Reserve) signed military service contracts with the Russian MoD and are training for deployment to the frontline in Ukraine.


Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 9:08 pm to
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Such fricking lies. We would have invaded Mexico or Canada if Russia or China was doing the shite we were doing in Ukraine.


Never would happen, Pure fiction.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 9:15 pm to
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We would have invaded Mexico or Canada if Russia or China was doing the shite we were doing in Ukraine.


I mean China is building a military base in Cuba and Russia has been budding up with Mexico (increasing diplomats and Mexico even had the Russian military in a military parade) so I guess we should invade by your logic?

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China and Cuba are in advanced negotiations for the construction of a joint military training facility, an infrastructure that would facilitate the presence of Chinese troops in Cuba on a permanent basis. A base for these purposes would be in addition to the spy bases that China allegedly has on the island, The Wall Street Journal reported

LINK

Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 9:56 pm to
You do know that Putin is shorter than Zelensky. Putin is a runt
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 11:21 pm to
If a rapper had fathered as many children by as many different baby mamas Musk has, people would think he was trash.

Henry Ford singlehandedly started a second industrial revolution and was also a complete nutjob. Ditto Musk. Competence, even hypercompetence, in one area doesn't make your opinions in other areas worth considering. Nor does it make you a person of character.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8163 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 11:24 pm to
You are correct; he is a flawed person.

Flawed or not, he does seem to be one of the few people with power to challenge the establishment. His staunch support of free speech is what made me an admirer.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3945 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 11:28 pm to
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I agree that the Biden administration's weakness, stupidity, and hubris caused this war. I did my part by voting for Trump, as I will again.


This is the 9th war that Russia has launched against its former satellites since 1991... they launch those wars when they feel they need to, regardless of which party holds the White House. Russia was fighting in the Donbas while Trump was President, weren't they? In fact, "it was so smart, because he gets to go in and be a peacekeeper" in Trump's words.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3945 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 11:33 pm to
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Russian forces have so far advanced in areas of Kursk Oblast that Ukrainian forces were not yet fully controlling nor attempting to control, and Russian forces will likely face more difficulty when counterattacking further into areas of the salient where Ukrainian forces do have control.


So, what this is saying is that Russia is retaking the places where there's no fight, but will have difficulty retaking the places they have to fight to retake.

Okay.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 11:46 pm to
Putin watched the US withdrawal debacle in Afghanistan and began planning immediately to invade Ukraine, the first reports of troop deployments to the Ukraine border began in the fall of 2021. The last US planes left Afghanistan on the 30th of August 2021.

This report of a Russian troop buildup along Ukraines borders was dated: November 13th.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-says-russia-has-nearly-100000-troops-near-its-border-2021-11-13/

Washington Post article from the end of October 21: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russian-troop-movements-near-ukraine-border-prompt-concern-in-us-europe/2021/10/30/c122e57c-3983-11ec-9662-399cfa75efee_story.html

So, 2 months after the weakness of the Biden administration was on full display, Putin is already moving the pieces into place to invade Ukraine.

So, yeah, I believe that the Biden administration's weakness and incompetence directly led to the war.
This post was edited on 9/12/24 at 11:46 pm
Posted by Auburn1968
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Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 11:56 pm to
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So, 2 months after the weakness of the Biden administration was on full display, Putin is already moving the pieces into place to invade Ukraine.


He really didn't expect his two week "special operation" to be repulsed. At least, Trump gave Ukraine a bunch of Javelins and Stingers instead of Obama's blankets and MRE's.

Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 9/13/24 at 12:02 am to
The aid and training given to Ukraine during the Trump administration helped it stop the initial Russian attack. However, real military aid didn't start flowing for a while after the invasion.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3945 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 12:12 am to
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Putin watched the US withdrawal debacle in Afghanistan and began planning immediately to invade Ukraine, the first reports of troop deployments to the Ukraine border began in the fall of 2021. The last US planes left Afghanistan on the 30th of August 2021.

This report of a Russian troop buildup along Ukraines borders was dated: November 13th.

LINK

Washington Post article from the end of October 21: LINK

So, 2 months after the weakness of the Biden administration was on full display, Putin is already moving the pieces into place to invade Ukraine.

So, yeah, I believe that the Biden administration's weakness and incompetence directly led to the war.


Well I believe that Trump was supposed to cripple NATO if he was re-elected to make it possible for Putin the invade Ukraine, and beyond, virtually uncontested... Trump lost, but Putin decided to do it anyway.

So that's what each of us believes... for what it's worth.

By the way, I'd forgotten this... Trump negotiated the withdrawal from Afghanistan NOT WITH THE AFGHAN GOVERNMENT, but WITH THE TALIBAN!!! He resurrected The Taliban... he handed Afghanistan over to the Taliban... that's the deal he made.

FOX News: Retired generals defend Harris, blame Trump on Afghanistan withdrawal: report
The former military brass say Trump left Biden and Harris with a disaster

The group went on to attack former President Trump for allegedly setting up President Biden and Harris to fail in Afghanistan. They say the Trump administration negotiated a deal "without involving the Afghan government" and released 5,000 Taliban fighters back onto the battlefield.

"He left President Biden and Vice President Harris with no plans to execute a withdrawal, and with little time to do so. This chaotic approach severely hindered the Biden-Harris Administration’s ability to execute the most orderly withdrawal possible and put our service members and our allies at risk. Nevertheless, President Biden with the support of Vice President Harris ended America’s longest war, oversaw the largest airlift in U.S. history, and brought our troops home," the generals wrote.


My personal opinion on Afghanistan was we broke it, we bought it... we fixed it, but we were committed to staying there in some capacity for as long as it took... and it was going to be an ongoing shitshow because of the tribalism that destabilize the country... but I don't want to think about all of the people who cooperated with us for 20 years who were killed when we left.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3945 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 12:21 am to
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You are correct; he is a flawed person.

Flawed or not, he does seem to be one of the few people with power to challenge the establishment. His staunch support of free speech is what made me an admirer.


Leon is a free-speech absolutist... as long as a government doesn't tell him to not allow things to be said...

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Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3945 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 12:24 am to
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He really didn't expect his two week "special operation" to be repulsed. At least, Trump gave Ukraine a bunch of Javelins and Stingers instead of Obama's blankets and MRE's.



Obama started military aid... but secretly... while publically saying "Ukraine is not in our interests."

Hell, the PT crowd will tell you Obama staged a coup in Ukraine and that's why Putin had to invade it!!!
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8163 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 12:25 am to
Instead of pulling for Elon, who should we be pulling for to fight for our 1st amendment rights? Zuckerberg? Bezos? Gates?
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