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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 8/1/24 at 10:22 am to
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 8/1/24 at 10:22 am to
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I bet your dumbass is going to post the whole thing again


You would be the only target audience if I did that, and we established that you at best can't read very well. And the things you are capable of reading you can't understand. So whats the point?

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The only expertise you bring to this thread is to be wrong quite a bunch as well as bring up the most banal points, all of which we've heard before from admittedly more entertaining trolls.


Am I wrong or trolling? Trolls post stuff they know is wrong all the time, so can't really be both. But I do admit that asking you to distinguish between two categories and explain your reasoning is a tall task that you likely aren't up for, even one as simple as this.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 8/1/24 at 10:25 am to
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Do you care to give your prediction on how this war will end?



He thinks this whole thread is about the Drake and Kendrick Lamar beef, he doesn't even know there is a war
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39819 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 10:52 am to
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Do you care to give your prediction on how this war will end?



Sure. My predictions have not changed from the beginnings of the war. The actual details of what peace in this current conflict look like are less important than understanding the larger geopolitical issues. While the Russian strategy of trying to grind Ukraine down might work in a vacuum, the language of their near neighbors suggests that it would be in the direct security interests of places like Poland to intervene in some fashion if Ukraine were in real danger of faltering. What that might look like is difficult to predict though. The conflict could continue to be relatively low-level for another decade or so, or could transform into several different types of conflicts, from purely economic competition to insurgency to direct open war. But with regards to the broader geopolitical picture, firstly, Eastern Europe will be a geopolitical flashpoint for the next few decades, as Russia has already failed in its ostensible security goals in a very direct way. They have increased their direct border with NATO by a massive amount, have turned the Baltic Sea into a NATO lake and undermined their own ability to reintegrate themselves in Europe for at least a generation. Their entire Western flank is mediated by NATO, which has to represent a broad failure for the nationalist wing of Russian politics. If you described to any security analyst in 2021 what the situation in 2024 looks like, with formerly neutral countries such as Finland and Sweden now fully integrated with NATO, they likely wouldn't believe you. Secondly, the West has to finally admit that the sanctions program they have developed first for Iran and now Russia does not work. What it tends to to is to make those countries more resilient and insulated. The sanctions program was a failure well before it was employed on Russia, with Iran as the example, as the Iranian regime, which was predicted to fall any day now for the past 40 years is as resilient as ever.

Lastly, long-term, the Russian demographics issue is going to present a problem for them. Even before the war, Russia was losing around 1 million ethnic Russians per year through gaps between births and deaths (i.e., due to a prolonged period of sub-replacement TFR) since 1992 or so and the admitted brain drain that has most definitely occurred is going to present its own sorts of problems at some point. Russia isn't exactly alone in this, but the reality is that there hasn't been a specific policy measure which has brought TFR up once that TFR has fallen below replacement. And there have been lots of different efforts employed by Japan, Sweden, and Hungary, among others. Simply asking women to have more children doesn't work. Even banning abortion doesn't seem to work, as countries where abortion was banned, such as Chile and Ireland, had sub-replacement TFR before the abortion ban was eventually repealed. The easy solution is to bring in immigrants and hope to 'Russify' them but that's easier said than done.

In that respect, we will have outright military and security competition in Europe and other places, which governments have already signaled (such as Japan, Poland and Germany with various white papers and defense statements) while all the competing powers, including Russia and Ukraine, have to deal with various demographic crises. The US is better positioned because it can generally integrate immigrants better than Europe can but some of those same demographic problems are at risk here as well.

But in short, the end to this war will not be the end to the broader geopolitical competition. We won't suddenly be able to go back to 2011. The competition will last until the circumstances change or until one of the powers fall and even then, that competition might continue.

Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39819 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 10:54 am to
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Trolls post stuff they know is wrong all the time, so can't really be both.


Read that last sentence closely. I think you are retarded, but an earnest retard. The trolls that were all up in this thread for the first few years were most definitely trolls, while you are just very very stupid.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 10:56 am to
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I think


Now try to do that more than once per month.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39819 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 10:57 am to
Lol you are big mad.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 11:00 am to
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But showing a very real strength and capability boon that is coming down the pipe should increase their standing during the negotiation process.


From the NY Times, image stolen from X



LINK

That's a two month window, it's reasonable to assume that brigade has taken in excess of 100% casualties. And there probably a dozen points of the line where the fighting is equally intense. With these kinds of losses you'll get weaker over time, not stronger.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 11:02 am to
I'm not the one throwing out insults and bringing up posts from weeks ago

I simply made an observation: You don't read or comprehend what you're reading very well.

And then I made an offer: if you want me to stop posting in this thread, send me some money and I will donate it to a cause that could actually help you out, AND I would do it in your name. I'm being very generous here. Its a win-win for you..... you don't have to see posts from someone who very obviously triggers you, and maybe the organization that I donate to sends you a tutor or some children's books.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39819 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 11:03 am to
Damn dude, I really got under your skin.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 11:04 am to
Don't you mean. "Damn cuh, you trippin" ?
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39819 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 11:06 am to
Lol, you are decompensating. It will be alright little guy. Now try to bring something meaningful to the thread or stop posting so much. Even Lima tries to keep things on topic, bless his heart.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 11:06 am to
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That's a two month window, it's reasonable to assume that brigade has taken in excess of 100% casualties. And there probably a dozen points of the line where the fighting is equally intense. With these kinds of losses you'll get weaker over time, not stronger.



That makes my point better though. Ukraine likely can't sustain the personnel losses, but if they show that they can at least negate those with increases in firepower via other means then that puts them in a better position than they would be otherwise.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5643 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 11:10 am to
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Russia is releasing Wall Street Journal reporter Evan Gershkovich and former US Marine Paul Whelan as part of a major prisoner swap with the US, according to people familiar with the situation


Gershkovich, Whelan, Kara-Murza released in major prisoner swap between Russia, West

Turkey's National Intelligence Organization confirmed on Aug. 1 that 26 prisoners had been exchanged by Russia and the West. The exchange was carried out in Ankara.

As part of the operation, 10 prisoners were transferred to Russia, 13 prisoners were transported to Germany, and three were handed over to the U.S, the National Intelligence Organization said, as cited by the Turkish media outlet TRT Haber.

Turkey confirmed its role as mediators in a prisoner exchange involving 26 people from seven countries — U.S., Germany, Poland, Slovenia, Norway, Russia, and Belarus — Turkey's National Intelligence Organisation (MIT) said.

The prisoners were transported to Ankara by a total of seven aircraft, according to MIT.

"This operation has been recorded in history as the most extensive prisoner exchange between the United States, Russia, and Germany in recent years," the statement read.

Alsu Kurmasheva, a Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (RFE/RL) journalist with dual U.S. and Russian citizenship, is also among the swapped, the president of RFE/RL Stephen Kapus confirmed. A court in Russia's Republic of Tatarstan sentenced her to six and a half years in jail on a charge of "spreading false information" about Russia's Armed Forces on July 19.

Independent Russian media outlet The Insider published a list of 24 prisoners who allegedly will be exchanged. According to it, Russia will hand over 16 people, including opposition figures Lilia Chanysheva, Ilya Yashin, Ksenia Fadeeva, Andrey Pivovarov, human rights activist Oleg Orlov, artist (Demuri) Voronin, Kevin Lik, and German Moyzhes, as well as Patrick Schobel.

Western countries are allegedly releasing Vadim Krasikov, a convicted Russian hitman sentenced to life imprisonment in Germany, Mikhail Mikushin and Pavel Rubtsov, accused of spying for Moscow, hacker Roman Seleznev, Vladislav Klyushin, businessman jailed for a hack-and-trade scheme, and Vadim Konoshchenok, the Insider reported.

Another two allegedly exchanged Russians on this list, Anna and Artem Dultsevy, were sentenced to 1.7 years in prison for espionage by a court in Slovenia on July 31, the Slovenian N1 TV channel reported. The court also ordered their expulsion from the country.

The Kyiv Independent
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 11:16 am to
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if they show that they can at least negate those with increases in firepower via other means


That's impossible though, the Russians for example (per Ukraine) have a 6:1 advantage in drones.

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Ukraine likely can't sustain the personnel losses


They certainly can't, and while they may be able to fill out units, like the Germans did at the end of World War 2, these units will be of very poor quality. That's probably why the line is bending in the Donbas right now.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 11:21 am to
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That's impossible though, the Russians for example (per Ukraine) have a 6:1 advantage in drones.



Its not impossible to show strength you wouldn't otherwise have. Its not about the ratio of Ukraine to Russia, its Ukraine with this capability vs Ukraine without. We know Russia is large and has more of a lot of stuff.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
19961 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 11:25 am to

Latest news:

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During the last week of July, Russia mounted its largest assaults in eight months in eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk region, seizing a string of settlements in an apparent bid to cut off key supply routes and force a mass Ukrainian retreat.


While it excites many that ukraine is striking oil refineries 100s of miles from the front.....wouldnt it be more prudent to at least pretend to hold the front lines for more than a couple of hours?

Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 11:35 am to
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While it excites many that ukraine is striking oil refineries 100s of miles from the front.....wouldnt it be more prudent to at least pretend to hold the front lines for more than a couple of hours?



Depending on how large you think the Russian offensive is, its somewhat to fairly impressive that they have held the lines as well as they have. If you are of the opinion that the Russians are kind of just 'prodding' the lines, not so much.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 11:45 am to
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its Ukraine with this capability vs Ukraine without


Are you thinking about the F16s?

It doesn’t add a new capability, but it does makeup for some of aircraft losses they’ve suffered and it means they still have a platform for AGM-88s and JDAMs when they otherwise wouldn’t. And the Mirages will allow them to keep launching Stormshadows.

Flying near the front lines is risky though, the Russian fighters have shot down Ukrainian aircraft at distances of 200 to 250 km. The Ukrainians will have to fly at extremely low altitudes which in turn will limit the effectiveness and range of their own weapon systems.

There are no miracles here
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138765 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 12:01 pm to
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as Russia has already failed in its ostensible security goals in a very direct way. They have increased their direct border with NATO by a massive amount, have turned the Baltic Sea into a NATO lake and undermined their own ability to reintegrate themselves in Europe for at least a generation. Their entire Western flank is mediated by NATO, which has to represent a broad failure for the nationalist wing of Russian politics.
My goodness. Did that sound better before you uploaded it?

NATO planned to sausage itself, sans Belarus, against the entirety of Russia's western border plains. Insofar as that has not happened, and likely will not happen, Russia succeeded reducing what it perceived as a clear and present NATO threat. Further, respondent Russo-Sino relations dangerously advanced subsequent to the West's actions.

The short answer to the question which was posed about how this war will end, is unfortunate. However, it is what it is. This war will end as it would have in April 2022, on similar terms, with all the horror of the ensuing 2+yrs a demonstrably futile waste of blood and treasure.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42603 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 12:25 pm to
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That's a two month window, it's reasonable to assume that brigade has taken in excess of 100% casualties. And there probably a dozen points of the line where the fighting is equally intense. With these kinds of losses you'll get weaker over time, not stronger.


And I bet Russia only lost ten guys, right?
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