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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:47 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:47 pm to crazy4lsu
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Here are the photos ruff fish has been trying to show us.
Are those suppose to be destroyed HIMARs? If so then they need to a better research before spreading false information. As you can see the vehicles in the Russian pictures do not have enough space between the cab and the bed area where the rocket battery would go. They also do not have the curved box exhaust pipe that HIMARs vehicles have. The rims of the wheels on the destroyed vehicles in the Russian pictures are not large enough to be from a HIMARs vehicle. Finally the destroyed vehicles in the Russian pictures have foot steps on behind both sets of rear wheels. HIMARs vehicles only have a step on the left side. The destroyed vehicles in the pictures have vertical bars welded to the frames of the vehicles. HIMARs do not have those because those bars would interfere with the ability of the rocket battery to rotate. Also if you look closely you will see that the door hinges on the vehicles in the Russian pictures are behind the door. Where as the door hinges on the HIMARs vehicles are in front of the door.
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Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:05 pm to No Colors
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Russia doesn't like its neighbor. This is an intolerable situation. So it invades and bombs its neighbor to rubble, kills tens of thousands, and destroys its infrastructure.
Is this how you think modern problems should be solved?
Are you prepared for that neighbor to fight back and destroy your army?
Would it not be fair and reasonable for that neighbor to respond by invading and destroying a portion of your country in return?
Are you willing to be subject to the rules you proclaim to follow?
Now I will write that I read your post three times and did not understand anything. :(
You write that the Russian Federation is destroying infrastructure, can you bring proof?
I want to ask about the infrastructure, who is shelling the nuclear power plant !!!
Of the US 777, there was a recent hit in a building where nuclear fuel was stored. Who is shelling the Kakhovskaya HPP, who is shelling the territories of Donetsk and Luhansk? Who will fall asleep like peas with anti-personnel mines in the villages in which there are no soldiers and which Russia has liberated?
What neighbor does Russia not like? Ukraine? Do we really live on the same planet? Ukraine is a territory that only 30 years ago was Russia. We all married each other. My wife and mother-in-law are Ukrainian. And imagine they support the liberation of Ukraine from the crap that the US country has grown there.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:15 pm to No Colors
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The Kremlin was clearly told that the doors to NATO are open and if Ukraine wants, it can join.
Exactly THIS is unacceptable for the Russian Federation.
Ukraine wanted to join NATO to protect itself from invasion by the Russian Federation. The Russian Federation considers this unacceptable because it would put another NATO nation on its border. I have a some questions regarding that logic and I will ask them in both english and russian.
1. Why is it not acceptable for Ukraine to join to protect itself from the Russian Federation?
2. Why is it acceptable for the Russian Federation to invade Ukraine to protect the Russian Federation from NATO?
3. The Russia Federation invaded Ukraine. That action proves that Ukraine was correct and Ukraine really did need to join NATO to protect itself from the Russian Federation. How can you say otherwise?
4. How do Russians fell about thousands of Russian soldiers being killed in a war to keep NATO from moving closer to Russia when Finland is now in NATO?
5. Why is it unacceptable for Ukraine to join NATO but it is acceptable for Sweden and Finland to join NATO?
6. How do Russians feel about having a NATO nation less than 500 km away from Saint Petersburg?
7. How do you feel about a special military operation that was only suppose to last a week, but has now lasted more than 6 months?
Ukraina khotela vstupit' v NATO, chtoby zashchitit' sebya ot vtorzheniya Rossiyskoy Federatsii. Rossiyskaya Federatsiya schitayet eto nepriyemlemym, poskol'ku eto postavit u yeye granitsy yeshche odnu stranu NATO. U menya yest' neskol'ko voprosov otnositel'no etoy logiki.
1. Pochemu nepriyemlemo prisoyedineniye Ukrainy dlya zashchity ot RF?
2. Pochemu dlya Rossiyskoy Federatsii dopustimo vtorzheniye v Ukrainu dlya zashchity Rossiyskoy Federatsii ot NATO?
3. Rossiyskaya Federatsiya vtorglas' v Ukrainu. Etot postupok dokazyvayet, chto Ukraina byla prava i Ukraina deystvitel'no nuzhdalas' v vstuplenii v NATO, chtoby zashchitit' sebya ot Rossiyskoy Federatsii. Kak vy mozhete skazat' inache?
4. Kak russkiye nedovol'ny tysyachami rossiyskikh soldat, ubitykh v voyne, chtoby ne dat' NATO sblizit'sya s Rossiyey, kogda Finlyandiya teper' vkhodit v NATO?
5. Pochemu dlya Ukrainy nepriyemlemo vstupleniye v NATO, a dlya Shvetsii i Finlyandii priyemlemo vstupleniye v NATO?
6. Kak rossiyane otnosyatsya k natsii NATO meneye chem v 500 km ot Sankt-Peterburga?
7. Kak vy otnosites' k spetsoperatsii, kotoraya dolzhna byla dlit'sya vsego nedelyu, a teper' dlitsya boleye 6 mesyatsev?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:16 pm to WeeWee
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Are those suppose to be destroyed HIMARs? If so then they need to a better research before spreading false information. As you can see the vehicles in the Russian pictures do not have enough space between the cab and the bed area where the rocket battery would go. They also do not have the curved box exhaust pipe that HIMARs vehicles have. The rims of the wheels on the destroyed vehicles in the Russian pictures are not large enough to be from a HIMARs vehicle. Finally the destroyed vehicles in the Russian pictures have foot steps on behind both sets of rear wheels. HIMARs vehicles only have a step on the left side. The destroyed vehicles in the pictures have vertical bars welded to the frames of the vehicles. HIMARs do not have those because those bars would interfere with the ability of the rocket battery to rotate. Also if you look closely you will see that the door hinges on the vehicles in the Russian pictures are behind the door. Where as the door hinges on the HIMARs vehicles are in front of the door.
Well, I don’t know about such subtleties on which side there should be a loop or a step, the Russian army doesn’t even have such equipment.
As far as I could see civilian cars of the same model, over the years, their manufacturer made changes that did not change the functionality. And visually two identical cars did not work. Perhaps there is something similar here.
Are you saying that I brought poor quality proof?
Bring others?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:17 pm to JayDeerTay84
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Simply ask yourself, would Ukriane be standing if not for Western intervention?
First, you should follow the argument a little more closely.
Ukraine repelled the initial invasion without any major support from the West. Secondly, Western Europe is doing the minimal amount providing aid to the Ukrainians. The US, UK and Eastern Europe are doing far more. Given his interest in Western Europe explicitly, he never seems to answer what Western Europe is going to do or what they aren't going to put up with.
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SO then logically, Ukraine will last as long as aid is being sent
Which Western Europe isn't providing on the scale that the US is, undercutting any notion they can do anything.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:18 pm to ruff fish
Ruff, the pictures you shared of the destroyed vehicles are not HIMARS. They are of an M777 Howitzer and one of its support trucks.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:18 pm to ruff fish
You misspelled Putain
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:18 pm to crazy4lsu
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Ukraine repelled the initial invasion without any major support from the West.
That is not true. Ukraine had been receiving aid for some years and used Western Anti tank equipment at the start....
Those weapons were a key point in stopping Russian tanks early on.
Keep it real Baw....
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:19 pm to ruff fish
Military historians do. When the Russian forces met the Americans at the end. Soviets were driving all Sherman tanks
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:20 pm to WeeWee
The doors don't even match. HIMARS has doors open to the rear of the vehicle
those Russian images have doors that open towards the front
The Russian image looks like a Kamaz Typhoon transport truck
those Russian images have doors that open towards the front
The Russian image looks like a Kamaz Typhoon transport truck
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:23 pm to ruff fish
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The Kremlin was clearly told that the doors to NATO are open and if Ukraine wants, it can join.
According to the agreement Russia signed in 1997 with NATO, Russia has absolutely no say on whether NATO can enlarge. In addition, Russia has no right to determine the course of another country's foreign policy. In other words, the choice to join NATO is only between Ukraine and NATO. Russia has no say. When Sweden and Finland join NATO, Russia will be in a far worse security situation.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:25 pm to JayDeerTay84
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That is not true. Ukraine had been receiving aid for some years and used Western Anti tank equipment at the start....
You call that 'major support'? I would suggest that is minor support relative to the aid being given now, and minor support in any context. Regardless, if you followed the argument, you'd know that we were speaking of Western Europe only, as for some reason that is OML's primary interest.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:27 pm to ruff fish
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Ukraine is a territory that only 30 years ago was Russia. We all married each other. My wife and mother-in-law are Ukrainian
We know. This is part of why we are all repulsed at what Russia is doing in the Ukraine right now. It’s called fratricide and it’s generally frowned upon by polite company.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:28 pm to crazy4lsu
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You call that 'major support'?
Considering the alternative would have been soviet on soviet equipment yea, I think it major. Russia had no answer for it early and likely doesn't today other than numbers.
It severely hampered their blitzed attack.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:29 pm to OMLandshark
I call bullcrap on your little thingy.
German baseload power for delivery on Friday was down 6.2% to 526.50 euros a megawatt-hour (MWh) at 0829 GMT.
The equivalent French price dropped 6% to 522 euros/MWh.
The futures market for Europe is dropping like a rock, for now.
Natural gas spot price dropped 21% yesterday.
Now go play like you actually know something other what some idiot pundit said.
I disagree with crazy4lsu about Greenwald. He has relied too much on Wikileaks to gain fame, and some of that is bullcrap which I know about first hand. Completely out of context. This is why I view Wikileaks as typical Russian propaganda, designed to create chaos.
German baseload power for delivery on Friday was down 6.2% to 526.50 euros a megawatt-hour (MWh) at 0829 GMT.
The equivalent French price dropped 6% to 522 euros/MWh.
The futures market for Europe is dropping like a rock, for now.
Natural gas spot price dropped 21% yesterday.
Now go play like you actually know something other what some idiot pundit said.
I disagree with crazy4lsu about Greenwald. He has relied too much on Wikileaks to gain fame, and some of that is bullcrap which I know about first hand. Completely out of context. This is why I view Wikileaks as typical Russian propaganda, designed to create chaos.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:34 pm to JayDeerTay84
Providing effective weaponry isn't the same thing as providing lavish aid. The amount the US provided the last decade before the war totaled less than a billion per year, which is far lower than the aid we provide to Jordan and Iraq. For me, major support would look like something the US provided in the MENA region.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:35 pm to JayDeerTay84
We shouldn't forget about the soft aid we provided as well from Intelligence gathering and sharing. This was a MAJOR factor in the early days of the war...still is.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:36 pm to JayDeerTay84
it received some Javelins and some training. Per US former military there with javelin experience, they didn't even have the specially designed battery packs necessary to operate them anywhere near one warehouse full of Javelins.
It did receive a LOT of help from Poland at first. The West was actually slow until it realized UKR was serious about defending itself with its own citizens.
Apparently, many of the foreign fighters who went early were Georgians, Chechen rebels, and a good bit of British, all with some level of experience.
It did receive a LOT of help from Poland at first. The West was actually slow until it realized UKR was serious about defending itself with its own citizens.
Apparently, many of the foreign fighters who went early were Georgians, Chechen rebels, and a good bit of British, all with some level of experience.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:37 pm to CitizenK
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I disagree with crazy4lsu about Greenwald
That's fair. His writing on the War on Terror during the late Bush/Early Obama period was good though. He was the only one who really wrote about the drone program under Obama, which I appreciated.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:39 pm to crazy4lsu
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Providing effective weaponry isn't the same thing as providing lavish aid. The amount the US provided the last decade before the war totaled less than a billion per year, which is far lower than the aid we provide to Jordan and Iraq. For me, major support would look like something the US provided in the MENA region.
You can use whatever adjectives you want. I said Western Aid.
And I stand by the fact that without Western Aid, Ukraine would have fallen.
You can parse words with clever adjectives all you want, but I would think this is a very logical conclusion. Its not some wild conspiracy to say such.
Yes, Ukraine still had to fight and I dont take that away, but they are in this as long as Aid remains.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 1:42 pm
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