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Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:34 am to WestCoastAg
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but hes totally not pro russia or anything
His end game is identical to all of the declared Putin fan boys, withdraw American support and hand Ukraine over to the Russians.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:34 am to crazy4lsu
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Well nothing seems to convince you, even your own words.
Roger: We have to negotiate
Also Roger: No you cant trust the Russians
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:34 am to Blitzed
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Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:35 am to OMLandshark
Tell me how sane it is to activately root for a recession and for a woman to be forced into sexual slavery because of it
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Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:39 am to Blitzed
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and it’s clear Russia doesn’t like that it’s on their boarder.
Got a great idea, to avoid actual bloodshed maybe Russia should give up some of its land to make a buffer state.
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Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:39 am to WestCoastAg
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Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:40 am to crazy4lsu
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It also seems an incredibly personal target.
Oh yeah somebody is pissed. Somebody with some real capability.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:40 am to Lakeboy7
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Roger: We have to negotiate
Also Roger: No you cant trust the Russians
You can't trust anyone, which is why we're collectively retarded for not choosing neutrality.
You're starting to get the actual point.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:41 am to RogerTheShrubber
When has Russia ever lived up to its end of bargains, without actual verification from the other party?
I'll wait for you answer.
I'll wait for you answer.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:42 am to OMLandshark
I normally love to joke about a stranger having her world ruined to the point she reverts to sexual slavery to survive. So funny
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:42 am to WeeWee
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1. Did you ever stop and thinking that is just pre-negotiation bluster from Ukraine?
Exactly. What does he expect Ukraine, who is the one suffering from two invasions of its sovereign territory in the last ten years, to say?
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2. Ukraine has realized that it’s pointless to negotiate with Russia until it has proven to Russia that it has the ability to f**k Russia up if it doesn’t negotiate in good faith. You can thank Putin for that. Russia attacked Odessa with cruise missiles less than 24 hours after negotiating the grain deal. The only thing that made Russia stop attacking Odessa and honor the grain deal was Turkey threatened to use its fleet to enforce the deal and said it would invoke Article 5 if Russia attacked a Turkish warship.
This is what the people blaming the US and the West for driving this conflict don't seem to understand. Geopolitics is an anarchic, brutal world where all notions of 'civilization' go out the window. The only thing that will lead to lasting peace is a Ukrainian state strong enough to withstand Russian designs on the Carpathian Mountains. Once the Russian elite can get over the fact that the biggest threat to European Russia is their backwards, outdated view of the world, then there will be real peace. The path towards real peace has already been laid out by Germany and France, who fought 3 brutal wars in less than a century, and through economic integration completely negated any geopolitical issues between those states. That integration wasn't easy and will never be easy, but it is still a far better system than war, which decimated human life on a scale far greater than could have ever been imagined before.
Russia still has the chance to integrate with Europe proper, and have tremendous influence in an integrated Europe. But the remote chance of an invasion from the Eastern European Plain drives their insecurity, even though economic integration would completely obviate their security concerns along their eastern border.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:43 am to OMLandshark
In your case that is quite likely to have an aunt with balls and a vagina
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:45 am to StormyMcMan
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Got a great idea, to avoid actual bloodshed maybe Russia should give up some of its land to make a buffer state.
Where do you get your weed?
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:46 am to crazy4lsu
Russian capital has been fleeing Russia since the 1st week of March. Much of it to Kazakhstan.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:46 am to WestCoastAg
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Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:49 am to OMLandshark
We’re not saying the theory behind your argument is wrong, just that you went the extra mile in making your argument as cringe as possible.
Like, this, might be a candidate for the WOAT post thread
Like, this, might be a candidate for the WOAT post thread
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:50 am to CitizenK
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When has Russia ever lived up to its end of bargains,
That's not a precursor to negotiations, its a barrier to overcome. War negotiations are rarely in good faith by all sides. I believe most grown ups understand this.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:51 am to Blitzed
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It’s clear Ukraine is a puppet state of corrupt America and it’s clear Russia doesn’t like that it’s on their boarder.
What's driven more states into the Western sphere of influence has been the behavior of the Russians themselves. It wasn't the US pushing for NATO expansion. It was former Warsaw Pact states who were so wary of Russian interference they immediately asked to join NATO and integrate with Europe rather than risk being in Russia's sphere ever again. The US was initially skeptical about including those former states, but once it became clear that Russia wasn't interested in economic integration, then the US did what every state in the same position would do, which is to adopt a maximalist position in order to completely sideline a former rival who doesn't believe they are vanquished. That is the 'offensive realist' position that the US took with the fall of the USSR, exhibited by the Wolfowitz Doctrine.
There's a way out for Russia if they were to choose such a way. But their approach the last 20 years has undermined their own security objectives in such a severe way that it beggars belief that they would continue on that path. Their security situation now is far worse than it ever was before. It is an unbelievable fumble in terms of international relations.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:52 am to OMLandshark
quote:looks like you are hopefull on one way
how's someone like that going to survive?
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