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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:32 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:32 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Nada. I don't trust them anymore than I trust our government. I have no clue why you even asked that, considering i've made it very clear my interest is in our involvement, which will just prolong the war.
Because ending hostilities requires both parties being interested in peace. That is the primary requirement for ending the war, not nations supplying one side with equipment. The war would continue even without US involvement, which is something it doesn't seem like you understand. So now that you've admitted that the Russian government is not likely to act in good-faith, you undermined your entire argument about peace because one group who has to be involved in any peace arrangement isn't fundamentally interested in peace. That lack of interest isn't driven by even the existence of the US, as Russian geopolitical interests vis a vis the European Plain predate any major US involvement in Europe.
Think things through for once. Use if-then statements and/or negations to tease out the implicit argument you yourself are making.
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Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:33 am to jeffsdad
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My immediate thought was Putin wants to get rid of durgin and just missed.
Even though Dugin is a POS Russian propagandist. I did feel sorry for the guy when I saw the vide of him watching the car with his daughter in it burn as the fire trucks were just arriving.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:39 am to LSUCanFAN
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Ukrainian Nationals in Russia are poised to start wrecking shite. This is gonna get Armagh Ugly and it might not stop with a negotiated settlement. People have revenge and only revenge on their minds.
"Vengeance and retribution require a long time; it is the rule"
Dickens, A Tale of Two Cities
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:40 am to crazy4lsu
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Because ending hostilities requires both parties being interested in peace.
Which is done through negotiations. The current plan has given up on any real talk, and let attrition take its toll. That will not end well for anyone. 10,000 bodies later we will still be having this same conversation.
Ukraine has said they will engage in talks only after they have the military capability to repel the Russians. Its going to be a while.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:41 am to crazy4lsu
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What has Russia done to suggest they would abide by any agreement?
Nothing
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:42 am to Blitzed
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You don’t know the answer. You are just assuming. Now…unless you are in the Russian war room…then please continue.
But Russia has been explicit about what they want. The Russian elite have long been interested in limiting access from the European Plain to Moscow and the heart of European Russia, and that need formed much of the foreign policy of the Russian Empire from the 1720s onward. The natural defenses which decrease the distance Russia has to defend on their Eastern Frontier is the Carpathian Mountains. What they regard as their traditional sphere of influence includes the Baltics and Poland, the control of which again limits their need to defend their Eastern Frontier. If we date their sphere of influence from the beginning of the Russian Empire in 1721, we would also include the Baltic Sea, as Russia competed with Sweden for control of that area, eventually gaining ownership of Finland and free access in the Baltic Sea.
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:45 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Which is done through negotiations.
Again, what has compelled Russia to participate in negotiations in good-faith?
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The current plan has given up on any real talk, and let attrition take its toll.
You know who decided this, right? Decisions aren't made in a vacuum. Hint: it wasn't the West or Ukraine.
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Ukraine has said they will engage in talks only after they have the military capability to repel the Russians. Its going to be a while.
Why would they say that? Think it through. In order for their to be peace, Ukraine must be assured of their own security. Since Russia, like you admitted, is not to be trusted, then what is the logical course of action for the Ukrainians?
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:45 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Ukraine has said they will engage in talks only after they have the military capability to repel the Russians. Its going to be a while.
Or Russia can GTFO, just by leaving Ukraine at any time.
If not, Russia can watch their Military Commanders get taken out one by one.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:47 am to RogerTheShrubber
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i've made it very clear my interest is in our involvement, which will just prolong the war.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:52 am to crazy4lsu
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The Russian elite
Thats who has to suffer for any hope for this to end, and one of their rock stars just got blown the frick up. But apparently there are operational factions in the upper crust that are at odds on the way ahead, which is a crack in the wall.
Everyone knew August would be bad for the RU on the battlefield but this adds a whole new layer of problems.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:53 am to AGGIES
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Or Russia can GTFO, just by leaving Ukraine at any time.
Go make it happen.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:56 am to AGGIES
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This post was edited on 6/8/26 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:56 am to Lakeboy7
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Thats who has to suffer for any hope for this to end, and one of their rock stars just got blown the frick up. But apparently there are operational factions in the upper crust that are at odds on the way ahead, which is a crack in the wall.
The fact the daughter was targeted is interesting considering the deaths of several Russian oligarchs, which included their wives and children in some cases. I wouldn't be surprised if a faction of the Russian elite, who have lost a tremendous amount of money, were responsible for the bombing.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:57 am to OMLandshark
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And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. It's just not going to happen unless you want to escalate it to WWIII.
So then there isn't going to be peace, regardless of whether the US is involved. I'm glad we are all on the same page now.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:59 am to crazy4lsu
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This post was edited on 6/8/26 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
What’s strange is that you keep complaining about Ukraine not cooperating or negotiating….
When Russian just needs to be gone from Ukraine’s land.
When Russian just needs to be gone from Ukraine’s land.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:01 am to OMLandshark
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We had peace, but then 81 million retards went and fricked it all up by voting for a dementia ridden retard and a despotic narc.
Lol. It's rich you would call anyone else retarded, given the actual content that you post.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:05 am to AGGIES
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When Russian just needs to be gone from Ukraine’s land.
Says the American lol
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:05 am to crazy4lsu
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I wouldn't be surprised if a faction of the Russian elite, who have lost a tremendous amount of money, were responsible for the bombing.
Seems likely.
The level of sophistication be it an IED or VBIED and the planning involved is what makes it impressive. This was planned and executed by people that have intel on movement of individuals and a high degree of capability with munitions.
Ex (current?) military, ex (current) FSB? Dunno but this wasnt sticking a kitchen match to a wooden barracks.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:06 am to OMLandshark
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And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. It's just not going to happen unless you want to escalate it to WWIII.
This is the issue: the burden is not on the US to appease Russia. Russia is the aggressor. Russia can De-escalate.
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