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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 7/27/22 at 6:07 am to
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 6:07 am to
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the video of both the attack last night and the results the next morning.


That damage is significantly different than what I saw evidence of in the previous attack on the Antonivsky Bridge. This time there is clear and significant damage to beams and not just the bridge deck.

From what I saw in one of the videos (from Rob Lee's Twitter) the bridge is 100% disabled from a peacetime use perspective. From what I saw I think it potentially still has one lane usable in a time of military necessity especially with good distance discipline. That is just based on the video AND assuming my unit absolutely needed to cross to remain alive I would push forward even in a 55t Abrams but certain death vs even a high chance of death is still an easy decision.


In short the damage this time is not a quick fix, a couple of rod busters and a few yards of concrete are not going to fix this damage. At least one rocket was a center bull hit.


While the cameraman did a poor job showing the damage I have highlighted the beam damage on the screencap below. From the video and having seen the pictures of the beam below I would say over 50% of that beam's cross-section had been obliterated and likely the rest of it is fully compromised as well. Concrete is a brittle bitch.

Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 6:15 am to
Why do you support Neo Nazis?
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 6:19 am to
If you had ever been on the docks in New Orleans before they were torn down to make way for the convention center, you would see what they did to cover gaping holes. A 3/4" inch of steel plate was laid over each hole, some large enough for a forklift to fall through. Other holes were left as an obstacle to avoid, without and barricade or notice.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 6:46 am to
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If you had ever been on the docks in New Orleans before they were torn down

Yes, I went out to see the USS Cabot when she was berthed at the Nichols St. wharf. I'm thinking this was 1993. More holes than timber. But the weight of armoured vehicles and loaded five-ton trucks add another level of risk.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 6:50 am to
The two wharves I was speaking of no longer exist. Even wooden pilings underneath were iffy at best. 6 foot diameter holes everywhere, some covered, some left uncovered, especially the Julia St wharf. Ships were unloading cargo with 5 ton, and larger, forklifts traveling to and fro, either over covered holes or avoiding them, far more numerous than this bridge
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 6:51 am to
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 27 July 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE

Russian private military company Wagner has likely succeeded in making tactical advances in the Donbas around the Vuhlehirska Power Plant and the nearby village of Novoluhanske. Some Ukrainian forces have likely withdrawn from the area.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov is currently undertaking a tour of Egypt, Ethiopia, Uganda, and the Republic of the Congo. Russia will highly likely seek to exploit the visits to blame the West for the international food crisis and win the support of African states which have otherwise remained neutral about Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Since 2014, Russia has made significant efforts to secure influence across Africa, with Wagner frequently deploying as one of its favoured tools of influence in the region. Russia probably primarily engages with Africa because it believes it will enhance the 'Great Power' identity Russia aspires to. Its secondary goals are probably to secure commodity concessions and to persuade African states to vote in line with Russia's interests in international forums.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 6:52 am to
FWIW, China did stop importing the same grade of crude oil from Russia which carried oil via pipeline to China from Siberia as the grade it purchased from the SPR.
Posted by MNCTigah
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:03 am to
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Putin won't concede but until our country,yes the USA, starts negotiations then this war will drag in for years.


Unless Ukraine can reclaim and hold territory, then surely the U.S. should be the leader and help to broker a peace.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:15 am to
Video of Antonovskiy Bridge damage for those of you who do not use twitter.

Youtube of bridge
This post was edited on 7/27/22 at 7:22 am
Posted by Abstract Queso Dip
Member since Mar 2021
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:26 am to
Looks like they need to make it rain boom boom a few more times for catastrophic damage
This post was edited on 7/27/22 at 7:27 am
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:29 am to
I don’t know if you noticed, some of those holes were much smaller than the others, to the point it looks like multiple munition types were used.

In the video that captured the explosions at night, when I saw it, my first thought was that the cadence of the explosions looked like artillery. Perhaps it was an m270 MLRS or Excalibur rounds from a 155mm.
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:32 am to
Details on Ukraine’s ‘pinpoint’ strikes on key Kherson bridge
27 July, 02:09 PM

In an interview with NV Radio, Operational Command South spokesperson Natalia Humeniuk talked about the July 26 Ukrainian artillery strikes on the Antonivka Road Bridge, near occupied Kherson.

We’re trying to use this firepower to funnel enemy forces into specific nodes of the transportation infrastructure – more specifically, we’re denying them certain routes. The enemy then attempts to spin every such attack of ours to play into their narrative on the lands they occupy.

We can say that far from destroying the infrastructure of our own country, we’re instead derailing the enemy’s plans.

That’s why we describe the attack as “pinpoint,” as the damage it dealt isn’t vast enough to be used for propaganda purposes that way.

The New Voice of Ukraine
This post was edited on 7/27/22 at 7:35 am
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:36 am to
Thank you!
This post was edited on 7/27/22 at 7:37 am
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:37 am to
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I don’t know if you noticed, some of those holes were much smaller than the others, to the point it looks like multiple munition types were used.


I noticed that too. Seems to me that the smaller ones are similar in size to the first two strikes a few days ago. The larger ones?
Posted by AGGIES
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:40 am to
The Russians aren’t doing much to protect or even control access to the bridge.
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:49 am to
Russian invaders deal with damaged railway bridge near Kherson 27 July, 2022

The Russian invaders announced that a railway bridge across the Dnipro River in the Kherson Region got damaged.

The Russian media reported about this.

Collaborationist Kyrylo Stremousov said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine struck the railway bridge near occupied Kherson.

A representative of the occupation “administration” claims that the bridge was damaged during a shelling that night.

The loss of such a bridge could cause even greater logistical problems for the Russian invaders in the South of Ukraine.

It is known that the Russian military receives its supplies mainly by rail.

The Antonivskyi railway bridge is located 20 km from Kherson. It crosses the Dnipro River as a part of the Kherson — Dzhankoy railway line within the Odesa railway.

The bridge leads to the railway station of the city currently occupied by the Russians.

The railway bridge connecting the right coast of the South of Ukraine with the Crimea was opened on December 12, 1954.

Ukrainian Military Portal

Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:36 am to
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Video of Antonovskiy Bridge damage for those of you who do not use twitter.
Thanks. Somehow it looks worse in the YouTube.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:41 am to
Russia cannot afford anything near long term. Russia is already effectively a vassal state of China and is now a shiithole nation for at least a generation
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4661 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:41 am to
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We can say that far from destroying the infrastructure of our own country, we’re instead derailing the enemy’s plans.
Thanks. I think we've noticed the precise damage and wondered if that was done on purpose for the Ukrainians to be able to repair and use the bridge later. If the Russians leave it repairable. Have to doubt that but it's certainly worth a try.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:42 am to
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Antonivskyi railway bridge


Not that anyone cares but I found this bridge, it is ~4 miles upstream of the road bridge.

This is a very atypical bridge at least in the US. It reminds me of a dual intersection Warren truss (single intersection Warren truss bridges are one of the most common riveted steel RR bridges in the US) but it has a very unusual (to me) boxy construction. Doing some poking around on Ukranian sites it may be a variation of a Schifkorn bridge rendered in steel instead of iron but it probably is just a variation of a Warren type bridge.



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