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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 7/26/22 at 12:48 pm to doubleb
Posted on 7/26/22 at 12:48 pm to doubleb
quote:Agreed. Maybe the country 6000 miles away should take the foot off the NATO gas pedal as well. That would probably help.
The desire for defensible borders and warm weather ports has fueled a lot if this.
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Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:07 pm to alpinetiger
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Maybe the country 6000 miles away should take the foot off the NATO gas pedal as well. That would probably help.
What country is 6000 miles from the Russian border that is in NATO?
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:11 pm to WeeWee
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has probably never enough taxes to bribe a small town police officer. Take your hysterical and
I've paid plenty of taxes and I don't want a dime to go to Ukraine so keep talking sh*t. OML is one of the straight facts only poster in this thread.
I hope Russia and Ukraine lose!!!
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:13 pm to alpinetiger
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Agreed. Maybe the country 6000 miles away should take the foot off the NATO gas pedal as well. That would probably help.
Australia?
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:14 pm to SOSFAN
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OML is one of the straight facts only poster in this thread.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:15 pm to SOSFAN
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OML is one of the straight facts only poster in this thread.
Lol.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:15 pm to SOSFAN
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OML is one of the straight facts only poster in this thread.
Are you two married?
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:18 pm to SOSFAN
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OML is one of the straight facts only poster in this thread.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:27 pm to kingbob
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Are you seriously white-knighting for foreign aid to nations that harbor terrorists?
But OML doesn't understand anything about Pakistan, despite the political situation being explained to him several times and I know from experience that neither do you.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:35 pm to doubleb
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Are you two married?
No, but it does seem like we are one of the few Americans that believe in America First on this thread.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:37 pm to crazy4lsu
OBL wasn’t hiding out in a cave in Taliban country. He was in a gated compound in Abbotobad. That would be like the U.S. government claiming in 1946 that they have no idea where Hitler is when he’s living in a mansion in Arlington, VA.
Hate the source all you want, but there is no logical defense for foreign aid as anything other than bribes and sources of graft and kickbacks for politicians.
Hate the source all you want, but there is no logical defense for foreign aid as anything other than bribes and sources of graft and kickbacks for politicians.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:42 pm to kingbob
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OBL wasn’t hiding out in a cave in Taliban country. He was in a gated compound in Abbotobad. That would be like the U.S. government claiming in 1946 that they have no idea where Hitler is when he’s living in a mansion in Arlington, VA.
Hate the source all you want, but there is no logical defense for foreign aid as anything other than bribes and sources of graft and kickbacks for politicians.
Like I knew you would, you just wrote out diarrhea and thought it meaningful. I've already explain numerous times that there is a massive difference between the Pakistan military and the Pakistani civilian state. It, along with Turkey from whom Indian Muslims in the British Raj took direct inspiration, are the definition of security states, or the so-called 'deep state.'
I don't care so much about the aid issue, but if you treat Pakistani politics as monolithic, you are bound to misunderstand it. Like you just did.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:49 pm to SOSFAN
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No, but it does seem like we are one of the few Americans that believe in America First on this thread.
If you believe America first requires isolationism then yours would be an accurate post. I personally don't think isolationism would work for the US in today's (small) world and honestly think it is downright dangerous.
IMO a weaker Russia is a positive for the US and their struggles in Ukraine and the West's willingness to help Ukraine are blunting China's machinations involving Taiwan on a daily basis. Even OML recognizes that is a go to the mat issue. The cost we are paying to give China second thoughts on that endeavor is worth dollars for the pennies we are spending in Ukraine.
You simply can't play checkers in a chess environment.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:53 pm to crazy4lsu
If you view “aid” as a means of gettIng cooperation from the government of a country, yet the military of said country is in no way included in that, then what does your aid buy you? You’re making my point for me. The ROI for the taxpayer is less than zero.
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Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:54 pm to Obtuse1
Isolationism =\= non-interventionism
Geopolitics is not merely a zero sum game. You see only geography, but you forget the most powerful dimension of geopolitics: time.
Geopolitics is not merely a zero sum game. You see only geography, but you forget the most powerful dimension of geopolitics: time.
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Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:55 pm to Obtuse1
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IMO a weaker Russia is a positive for the US
What is a positive for the US is to show that using military force in the face of other options, of which Russia had so, so many, is always a bad idea. Russia made the decision after the Orange Revolution to blame the West rather than integrate with Europe. The latter choice would have completely obliterated their security issues through integration, but then it would have also obliterated their ability to use O&G as a political tool.
The way forward for the entire world is economic integration. That's the one thing that has proven far more effective than an arms race, war, or other insane geopolitical positioning. Integration isn't easy by any means, but neither is any other option.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:56 pm to crazy4lsu
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Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:58 pm to crazy4lsu
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Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:59 pm to kingbob
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If you view “aid” as a means of gettIng cooperation from the government of a country, yet the military of said country is in no way included in that, then what does your aid buy you? You’re making my point for me. The ROI for the taxpayer is less than zero.
Again, you are meaningfully misunderstanding the issues with the Pakistani state, and keep thinking your point amounts to very much. Why do you do this? You continually speak about things of which you have no understanding, and nothing seems to inform you. You told me variously that Russia had aims on Istanbul, that a Russian invasion of Eastern Turkey would cause the Turks to abandon Cyprus, and on and on.
Firstly, the US is the exact entity that empowered the Pakistani military to seek out ways to undermine the Soviets in the 80's. They had a blank check, and their activities in the 70's in Afghanistan dovetailed nicely with US interests. When the Pakistani civilian government openly blamed ISI for several major geopolitical issues, don't you think it would be, by your own words, in the US's interest to support the civilian side of government? Do you think all of Pakistani politics is monolithic? Do you care? Do you just want some easy victory to hang your hat on?
Posted on 7/26/22 at 2:00 pm to crazy4lsu
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