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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 7/23/22 at 8:28 am to WestCoastAg
Posted on 7/23/22 at 8:28 am to WestCoastAg
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not you though, oh wise one
You cant get any propaganda past the Oracle of Juneau
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Posted on 7/23/22 at 9:02 am to RLDSC FAN
Why is Russia so vulnerable to HIMARS in Ukraine?
July 22, 2022 5:40 pm by Illia Ponomarenko
Good analysis and observations from a Ukrainian's POV.
The Kyiv Independent
July 22, 2022 5:40 pm by Illia Ponomarenko
Good analysis and observations from a Ukrainian's POV.
The Kyiv Independent
Posted on 7/23/22 at 9:03 am to Lakeboy7
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You cant get any propaganda past the Oracle of Juneau
Positive news about Ukranian successes is propaganda.
Positive news about Russian successes is the gospel.
We have several geniuses here tell us that each and every day.
I only wish I had the knack.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 9:06 am to doubleb
The vast majority of everything you read from both sides is propaganda.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 9:06 am to cypher
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ATACMS
They will get a few of these. The problem is our inventory for these is low.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 9:07 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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The vast majority of everything you read from both sides is propaganda.
And the victor will write the final narrative. Perception is reality to most people.
The USA is simply paying for influence. We hear what they want us to hear.
This post was edited on 7/23/22 at 9:10 am
Posted on 7/23/22 at 9:27 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Surprisingly, much of Ukrainian is only misleading because it makes next to no mention of Russian successes. It is spot on accurate with Ukrainian successes.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 9:41 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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by GeauxxxTigers23The vast majority of everything you read from both sides is propaganda.
Definition of propaganda:
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information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view:
So propaganda can be factual. Ukranian propaganda can be factual as can Russian. The challenge is to discern the facts from the fiction and then it’s up to the individual to determine for themselves what it means to the big picture.
Simply dismissing all news as propaganda not worthy of consideration is a lazy and not a sound way to look at the world.
A closed mind is a dead mind.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 9:42 am to RogerTheShrubber
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And the victor will write the final narrative. Perception is reality to most people.
The USA is simply paying for influence. We hear what they want us to hear.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 10:03 am to WestCoastAg
Reuters
Exhibit 3648369728 why peace with Putin before defeat is useless:
Exhibit 3648369728 why peace with Putin before defeat is useless:
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KYIV, July 23 (Reuters) - Russian missiles hit Ukraine's southern port of Odesa on Saturday, the Ukrainian military said, threatening a deal signed just the day before to unblock grain exports from Black Sea ports and ease global food shortages caused by the war.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 10:11 am to DabosDynasty
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Exhibit 3648369728 why peace with Putin before defeat is useless:
quote:KYIV, July 23 (Reuters) - Russian missiles hit Ukraine's southern port of Odesa on Saturday, the Ukrainian military said, threatening a deal signed just the day before to unblock grain exports from Black Sea ports and ease global food shortages caused by the war.
Gonna be real easy for Russia to win while they flaunt cease-fire agreements while the ink is still wet.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 10:17 am to doubleb
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So propaganda can be factual. Ukranian propaganda can be factual as can Russian. The challenge is to discern the facts from the fiction and then it’s up to the individual to determine for themselves what it means to the big picture. Simply dismissing all news as propaganda not worthy of consideration is a lazy and not a sound way to look at the world. A closed mind is a dead mind.
You’re speaking into the void with regards to the board’s contingent of people who fancy themselves as heroic post-truth contrarians.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 10:18 am to cypher
Ukrainian Army hits bridge across Inhulets River near Kherson
23 July, 04:45 PM
Ukrainian forces struck the Daryivka Bridge across the Inhulets River outside the city of Kherson early on July 23, advisor to the head of Kherson regional military administration, Sergey Khlan, wrote on Facebook.
According to the official, the Ukrainian military acted "with surgical precision."
Khlan called the hit a continuation of the operation to cut off the Kherson group of Russian forces from their supplies.
If the Antonivka Bridge was a "key element" of supplying Russian troops through the left bank (of the Dnipro River), this strike concerns the right bank, he emphasized.
The New Voice of Ukraine
the shaping operation continues...
23 July, 04:45 PM
Ukrainian forces struck the Daryivka Bridge across the Inhulets River outside the city of Kherson early on July 23, advisor to the head of Kherson regional military administration, Sergey Khlan, wrote on Facebook.
According to the official, the Ukrainian military acted "with surgical precision."
Khlan called the hit a continuation of the operation to cut off the Kherson group of Russian forces from their supplies.
If the Antonivka Bridge was a "key element" of supplying Russian troops through the left bank (of the Dnipro River), this strike concerns the right bank, he emphasized.
The New Voice of Ukraine
the shaping operation continues...
Posted on 7/23/22 at 10:21 am to doubleb
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So propaganda can be factual. Ukranian propaganda can be factual as can Russian. The challenge is to discern the facts from the fiction and then it’s up to the individual to determine for themselves what it means to the big picture. Simply dismissing all news as propaganda not worthy of consideration is a lazy and not a sound way to look at the world. A closed mind is a dead mind.
I don’t dismiss all news as factually incorrect. Like you said, propaganda is a tool of war and Ukraine is using it every bit as much as Russia, maybe more and certainly to greater affect as demonstrated by this thread. Western and Ukrainian sources simply dismiss or outright don’t report Russian successes or Ukrainian failures. And when Ukraine has a failure or Russia has a success the armchair generals in here try to portray it as some part of a master plan by Ukraine. “Russia takes another Ukrainian city today: here’s why that’s bad for Russia and good for Ukraine, we’ve got them right where we want them!”
It’s silliness. And if a Ukrainian loss or Russian failure is even mentioned in this thread that poster gets called a “Pootin commie dicksucker” or “orc.”
The main posters driving this thread are all admittedly emotionally invested in this war on the Ukrainian side. Not that there’s anything wrong with that but the vast majority of info posted in this thread is propaganda even by your definition.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 10:21 am to UndercoverBryologist
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Gonna be real easy for Russia to win while they flaunt cease-fire agreements while the ink is still wet.
That’s why I personally think it’s dumb to limit targets within historical Ukraine, like Crimea and the bridge, using western supplied weapons as has been speculated. They don’t respect anything and they’re going to do what their going to do for the most part anyway. They gonna strike us if Ukraine takes out the Crimea bridge with our missiles? No.
Limit targets in pre-2014 Russian borders? Fine in an attempt to avoid full scale mobilization. Crimea and Donbas etc aren’t Russia’s. Take the gloves off.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 10:38 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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The main posters driving this thread are all admittedly emotionally invested in this war on the Ukrainian side. Not that there’s anything wrong with that but the vast majority of info posted in this thread is propaganda even by your definition.
All information is propaganda.
And yes there are a lot of posters here who like myself are pro Ukranian.
There are others too that are pro Russian.
I read I go from both camps and from some that seem to be more down the middle.
I am under no illusion that Ukraine is winning, but they have won battles and it’s obvious that Russia isn’t Alabama and Nick Saban rolling over their opponent, but are more like a later day Les Miles with talent screwing up because of a lack of good planning and control.
I had thought we’d see another Georgia or Crimea, but that hadn’t been the case. Ukraine is really putting up a strong fight. I think that’s obvious and based on fact. Will they win? It’s doubtful, but their loss won’t be without pain for Putin’s Russia.
ETA: I left out the hijackers who come here for attention and try to debate the political side of things. Many of us would like the thread to be about events and not politics. The hijackers think otherwise and despite their protests about the Ukranian homers they come back on a regular basis to disrupt things.
This post was edited on 7/23/22 at 10:47 am
Posted on 7/23/22 at 10:46 am to doubleb
I wonder how over the last 50 years when every time Warsaw Pact/Russian equipment matched up with NATO/US gear in conventional warfare any country would waste money buying Russian crap. In the mid-East, Israel continually kicked the Arabs' asses (yes, training and tactics play a huge role, admittedly). Desert Storm comes around and the US/UK crush Iraq. Saddam Beat down II yields the same results. Now, Russia can barely handle a third rate power like Ukraine. Even with poor logistics and tactics, not exactly a ringing endorsement for Russky stuff.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 10:49 am to SoFla Tideroller
You’d have to start with Korea, Vietnam, and look at all the other wars involving US gear versus Russian gear and analyze the technology.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 11:05 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Russian state TV says that you are gay, freezing without Russian oil and starving without Russian grain.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 11:08 am to CitizenK
Meanwhile Russia's military is significantly moslem and to them, women are for making babies and sex with other men is for pleasure, but they aren't gay. BWAHAHAHA
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