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re: Karen Read murder trial - Not guilty on main - guilty of OUI(DUI) only

Posted on 7/1/24 at 10:27 pm to
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
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Posted on 7/1/24 at 10:27 pm to
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Pretty big news, lead investigator Michael Proctor relived from duty:



Funny how that happens as soon as the jury is let out after a hung decision. I pray he’s prosecuted. No one is safe when law enforcement frames innocent people.
Posted by WinnaSez
Jackson, MS
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 7/1/24 at 10:54 pm to
I’ve been listening to Canton Confidential. It’s a local nightly news show that is podcasting its broadcast. I find it factual, and not biased towards prosecution or defense.

Edit - local as in Norfolk Co MA
This post was edited on 7/1/24 at 10:59 pm
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Posted on 7/1/24 at 11:36 pm to
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I’ve been listening to Canton Confidential. It’s a local nightly news show that is podcasting its broadcast. I find it factual, and not biased towards prosecution or defense. Edit - local as in Norfolk Co MA


Link?
Posted by This GUN for HIRE
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Posted on 7/1/24 at 11:53 pm to
Spotify
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Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 7/2/24 at 1:21 pm to
Officer is relieved of his duties after the mistrial. Below is some of the article.

People Article

" The lead investigator in the Karen Read case whose degrading and inflammatory text messages about her came to light during the high-profile trial has been relieved of his duties, state officials announced.

On Monday, July 1, after the shocking news that the sensational, months-long case had ended in a mistrial, Colonel John E. Mawn, Jr., interim superintendent of the Massachusetts State Police, announced that Trooper Michael Proctor had been relieved of duty “effective immediately.”

“Upon learning today’s result, the Department took immediate action to relieve Trooper Michael Proctor of duty and formally transfer him out of the Norfolk County District Attorney’s Office State Police Detective’s Unit,” Mawn said in a statement.

“This follows our previous decision to open an internal affairs investigation after information about serious misconduct emerged in testimony at the trial. This investigation is ongoing.”
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
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Posted on 7/2/24 at 3:09 pm to
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The DA released a statement that they do intend to retry the case.


Blow it out your blowhole LaFleur!!!!
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 7/2/24 at 3:31 pm to
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Blow it out your blowhole LaFleur!!!!


Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
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Posted on 7/2/24 at 3:47 pm to
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Anyone have a podcast recommendation for this trial? Maybe one that just has a summary of all the testimony presented?


Reality Life with Kate Casey

Ep. 1027 - uploaded today

Ep. 1021 Breakdown of everything up to June 25th

They will be doing another all-inclusive podcast as well.

Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 7:47 pm to
The victims brother did an interview.

He says he “put the pieces together” that Karen did it the next morning based on her actions and comments.
Posted by Saintsisit
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 8:20 pm to
I feel for the family, but the brother comes off kind of cuckish. Whoever is really behind JO's death must be loving this.
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 7/8/24 at 10:19 am to
Here are some excerpts from a TMZ article on the jury's verdicts.



Karen Read may be tried again for the death of her boyfriend after the judge declared a mistrial, but murder charges may not be on the table ... because according to the defense, the vote on the murder charge was 12 - 0, IN FAVOR OF ACQUITTAL!

Read's lawyer, Alan Jackson, has just filed docs arguing prosecuting Read for 2nd-degree murder a second time would amount to double jeopardy. Shockingly, when the judge declared the mistrial, she didn't say anything about the jury's vote on the murder charge.

We've also learned the jury was unanimous in favor of acquittal on the charge of leaving the scene of an accident where there was injury or death. The only charge on which the jury was deadlocked was vehicular manslaughter, where the jury apparently voted 9 - 3 in favor of guilt.

Attorney Jackson believes the judge had a duty to inform the defense the jury had reached unanimous verdicts on 2 of the 3 charges, which would have given them an opportunity to argue a mistrial should not have been declared. Jackson argues in legal docs the judge should have entered an acquittal on both the murder charge and the charge of leaving the scene of an accident.

If you're confused as to how the jury would be unanimous on leaving the scene of an accident yet split on vehicular manslaughter, it all has to do with intent. The crime of leaving the scene of an accident where there is death or injury requires proof of intent -- that the driver knew someone was hurt or killed. The jury obviously didn't believe Read knew.

Vehicular manslaughter does NOT require proof of intent -- all prosecutors have to prove is reckless conduct. Someone can be reckless and yet not even know they hit someone. Presumably, even if Jackson wins on the double jeopardy issue, Read could still be retried on vehicular manslaughter.

Read the rest here.
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
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Posted on 7/8/24 at 10:56 am to
Good. No matter what anyone things or says there is not enough evidence to put this woman in prison.

Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 7/8/24 at 11:04 am to
I would think the defense would still be concerned about the vote on vehicular homicide since that indicates 9 of them believed she was responsible. The question is whether the prosecution will believe that charge is worth a retrial and what's going to happen with the charges the jury basically threw out.
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
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Posted on 7/8/24 at 11:13 am to
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I would think the defense would still be concerned about the vote on vehicular homicide since that indicates 9 of them believed she was responsible. The question is whether the prosecution will believe that charge is worth a retrial and what's going to happen with the charges the jury basically threw out.


True.

I havent read into the case enough to know but if she backed into him, would it have been with enough force to kill him?

I do believe she might not fully remember the night before everyones BAC was very elevated.

I do think the LE was using her and I do think she was pissed and she has a right to be.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
19068 posts
Posted on 7/8/24 at 11:45 am to
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The only charge on which the jury was deadlocked was vehicular manslaughter, where the jury apparently voted 9 - 3 in favor of guilt.


How the frick
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 7/8/24 at 12:20 pm to
The defense has filed to have the charges on which she was acquitted tossed out.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 7/8/24 at 12:28 pm to
Proctor has a misconduct hearing today as well.
Posted by jbgleason
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Posted on 7/8/24 at 12:44 pm to
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I pray he’s prosecuted. No one is safe when law enforcement frames innocent people


I missed the part where he was "framing" her. The article says he called her a whack job and a c*nt but that was it. Did I miss something?

Him being unprofessional and talking shite about a defendant is a long ways from framing her or deserving to be prosecuted.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
19068 posts
Posted on 7/8/24 at 12:48 pm to
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I missed the part where he was "framing" her. The article says he called her a whack job and a c*nt but that was it. Did I miss something?

Him being unprofessional and talking shite about a defendant is a long ways from framing her or deserving to be prosecuted.


I think the misconduct is about the talking trash piece, but there is absolutely reason to believe he's in cahoots with law enforcement to frame her. This case is absurd. Almost feels like one of those cases that if the world media wasn't watching, she'd be fricked.
Posted by jbgleason
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Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 7/8/24 at 12:55 pm to
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here is absolutely reason to believe he's in cahoots with law enforcement to frame her.


Are there any articles on that part? I would be interested to read up on it.

Love that I got downvoted for asking the question with no opinion on the matter. The OT can be a real Echo Chamber.
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