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re: Kaci Hickox (Ebola nurse) is a real piece of work
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:36 am to DosManos
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:36 am to DosManos
quote:They are absolutely related. People will stop going to help fight it because they know how they will be treated when they return. Disease spreads.
I don't see how these two are related. No one is saying we must quarantine and NOT continue to contain it in Africa. One is not contingent on the other.
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Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:36 am to ColeCoushCoush
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They shouldn't be punished and locked up when they aren't symptomatic, aren't contagious, and pose no threat to society at all.
Again, that doctor in NYC had no symptoms when he landed.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:38 am to Cosmo
quote:Why is it silly? You would rather fight it on American soil? Yeah, it will sputter out after 100 more people turn up positive in the US.
This has been going on for 50 years in West Africa. It will sputter out. The idea that billions and billions need to be dumped on controlling it is silly to me
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:38 am to Broke
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Can they legally lock her up?
I sure as hell hope not, seeing how she poses no threat if she isn't symptomatice.
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Wants to sue everybody so she can do whatever the frick she wants. I watched her on Today show this morning and she came off like an insufferable count who only gives a shite about herself.
i would be suing the shite out of NJ for forcing her into quarantine when she wasn't sick, even the docs at the hospital said she wasn't sick and posed no threat to pass it on. Even worse they did it without a hearing or trial or anything.
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But Maine said they can and will lock her arse up in quarantine and she threatened to sue.
I would sue too. Force quarantines when there is no threat of passing on a disease is completely unneccessary and violates due process.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:39 am to Black n Gold
You don't absolutely need one of those fancy centers to treat it. Of course it helps though.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:40 am to Broke
Sounds like my wife.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:41 am to TigerFanatic99
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She took a test that was negative, the gov had no precedent or reason other than general fear to hold her.
Pretty much what it looks like to me. She doesn't need to be quarantined for public safety. She doesn't have the virus. She may be an insufferable bitch. I don't know. But I sympathize with her position.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:41 am to Winkface
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Why is it silly?
it's more wasteful than silly
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You would rather fight it on American soil?
with things like quarantine and limiting flights/passengers, we can control that much more cheaply
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:41 am to Winkface
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Force quarantining people like her is based in fear and panic.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to remember that the first several flights of astronauts coming back from space were isolated of fear of space cooties that the guys might have brought back.
I don't see any difference in this Ebola case seeing as to how even the CDC isn't convincing with their protocol procedures.
Until there is an absolute track record of "quarantines not necessary" concerning Ebola then I say better safe than sorry.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:43 am to Broke
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To protect the masses sure.
No danger of passing it on when asymptomatic. Read a freaking research article on it. Should we quaratnine every teacher that teachs in a classroom where a kid has the flu. The flu kill thousands in the US every year, Ebola has killed exactly 1 person in the US. This is how pollice states start.
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She chose to go to fricking Zimbabwe.
I thought she went to Guinea? Zimbabwe isn't having an outbreak.
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Play the game, win the prize
you sir are a moron
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:45 am to WeeWee
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No danger of passing it on when asymptomatic.
but we already have 2 cases (which is a high % of total cases) of people with Ebola lying about all sorts of things
i get hickox's argument, but her argument has a severe flaw: self-reporting. people with Ebola in the US have shown they won't adequately do this
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:46 am to Winkface
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You don't absolutely need one of those fancy centers to treat it. Of course it helps though.
This is just silly.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:46 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Part of the reason that we are dealing with this is because we are cheap. Western companies and governments haven't been willing to spend money in finding a vaccine or better treatment because the disease is over there. It's over where the poor people are. That won't make us any money. Not our problem.
with things like quarantine and limiting flights/passengers, we can control that much more cheaply
Also, we've already seen how people break quarantine and people lie so that they can fly. That system has holes. The only way to absolutely be sure that we don't have more cases in the US is to stop the spread in Africa.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:46 am to Peazey
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She doesn't have the virus
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Unfortunately, Ebola doesn't work that way. A person who is carrying Ebola and replicating Ebola inside their own blood will test negative for Ebola for up to six weeks. The test won't show a positive result until the virus has replicated to a sufficient quantity to be detectable.
This is the whole point behind the current 21-day observations periods and self-quarantine measures. If a person's Ebola status could be instantly determined by one test administered at any time, then everyone could be either diagnosed or cleared on day one and there would be no reason to observe anyone for 21 days (or 42 days) in the first place. As the WHO explains, the real incubation period for Ebola is up to 42 days, not the 21 days we are repeatedly told by the CDC.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:47 am to Black n Gold
I would gladly be in quarantine with her
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:47 am to Cosmo
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Disagree. That doctor in NYC had 0 symptoms when he landed. Everyone returning from that shithole should be quarantined.
I'm not a doctor, but I'm pretty sure that showing no symptoms is not the same thing as testing negative for the virus.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:49 am to Peazey
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testing negative for the virus
But testing negative doesn't mean you wont develop the virus?
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 9:56 am
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:50 am to SippyCup
Your garbage from naturalnews.com is garbage.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:50 am to Winkface
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Western companies and governments haven't been willing to spend money in finding a vaccine or better treatment because the disease is over there.
and?
that's not being cheap. we have a bunch of shite that we need to worry about here. ebola is africa's issue for them to figure out
they need to stop being cheap and invest their own resources in finding a vaccine
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Also, we've already seen how people break quarantine and people lie so that they can fly.
pretty sure the government could instruct airliners to not accept flights from all sorts of people. we already have this with our "no fly" list
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The only way to absolutely be sure that we don't have more cases in the US is to stop the spread in Africa.
that's impossible and will be a waste of money
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:51 am to Cosmo
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Again, that doctor in NYC had no symptoms when he landed.
So... what's your point? He wasn't symptomatic and so he wasn't contagious. As soon as he developed symptoms, he went to the hospital and was isolated.
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