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Justification vs. Excuse
Posted on 3/2/15 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 3/2/15 at 12:07 pm
Is there a the difference between a justification and an excuse?
As an example, I had a friend say he lied to the pawn shop to get a free guitar by telling them I have a patient with stage 4 liver cancer because cancer took my father and I need a guitar. Is that an excuse or justification?
As an example, I had a friend say he lied to the pawn shop to get a free guitar by telling them I have a patient with stage 4 liver cancer because cancer took my father and I need a guitar. Is that an excuse or justification?
Posted on 3/2/15 at 12:09 pm to Buttermilk Pancakes
quote:
Is there a the difference between a justification and an excuse?
Yes
quote:
Is that an excuse or justification?
Neither, it's a lie
Posted on 3/2/15 at 12:10 pm to Buttermilk Pancakes
Sounds like theft.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 12:11 pm to Buttermilk Pancakes
I RA'd...
Justification: I have been banned for far less than this dribble...
There is no excuse for this thread to live further
Justification: I have been banned for far less than this dribble...
There is no excuse for this thread to live further
Posted on 3/2/15 at 12:11 pm to Wtodd
Better question is excuse vs. reason. I use to hate when you would give a teacher/coach/parent a reason and they would yell "no excuses!"
What world are you living in where circumstances dont prevent things from going the way you intended?
What world are you living in where circumstances dont prevent things from going the way you intended?
Posted on 3/2/15 at 12:12 pm to Buttermilk Pancakes
I hated when coaches used to say "Stop making excuses!"
Situation from golf:
I miss a 6 foot putt. I say "I read it wrong"
Coach: "Stop making excuses"
WTF, thats a reason, not an excuse.
Situation from golf:
I miss a 6 foot putt. I say "I read it wrong"
Coach: "Stop making excuses"
WTF, thats a reason, not an excuse.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 12:13 pm to Hester Carries
quote:
Better question is excuse vs. reason. I use to hate when you would give a teacher/coach/parent a reason and they would yell "no excuses!"
What world are you living in where circumstances dont prevent things from going the way you intended?
THIS!
An excuse is an invalid reason.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 12:14 pm to TheCaterpillar
Missed a free throw
Me: "Ball rolled off my fingers wrong"
Coach: "Stop making excuses!"
WTF, that is the reason I missed. I didn't cast blame on anyone but myself.
A shitty excuse would be:
Me: "Rim has bad bounce so I didn't get my roll!"
Me: "Ball rolled off my fingers wrong"
Coach: "Stop making excuses!"
WTF, that is the reason I missed. I didn't cast blame on anyone but myself.
A shitty excuse would be:
Me: "Rim has bad bounce so I didn't get my roll!"
This post was edited on 3/2/15 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 3/2/15 at 12:16 pm to Buttermilk Pancakes
Excuses are like assholes.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 12:20 pm to Buttermilk Pancakes
Yes, but the definition really depends on the one who is receiving the justification/excuse. They get to decide.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 12:22 pm to Buttermilk Pancakes
quote:
As an example, I had a friend say he lied to the pawn shop to get a free guitar by telling them I have a patient with stage 4 liver cancer because cancer took my father and I need a guitar. Is that an excuse or justification?
Your friend told a pawn shop worker that you have a patient with stage 4 liver cancer. This patient has liver cancer because your dad died from liver cancer and because you need a guitar.
That doesn't even make sense
Posted on 3/2/15 at 12:32 pm to Buttermilk Pancakes
In my mind, excuse is the more generic form and includes justification.
Excuse seems more equivalent to reason. It may be a good reason/excuse, a bad reason/excuse or a neutral reason/excuse. Either word can be inclusive of pretty much any scenario from any positive or negative perspective. Though excuse is more commonly used than reason if the use of the word is meant to minimize the validity of the stated reason.
What's your excuse for leaving might be answered any way:
- I got bored.
- I had to pee.
- My wife texted me that our house was robbed.
Justification, on the other hand, specifically shares the same root word as justice: just. By doing so, I think it refers specifically to a type of reason or excuse that explains an action that has moral consequence.
Ex: His justification for getting in a fight was to defend his girlfriend.
Or: They justified the invasion because of the threat of WMDs.
In hindsight, if we agree with the justification, the word sticks. If we think the party justifying their actions stretched the truth and their cause was not just, we tend to re-categorize their justification into an excuse.
Excuse seems more equivalent to reason. It may be a good reason/excuse, a bad reason/excuse or a neutral reason/excuse. Either word can be inclusive of pretty much any scenario from any positive or negative perspective. Though excuse is more commonly used than reason if the use of the word is meant to minimize the validity of the stated reason.
What's your excuse for leaving might be answered any way:
- I got bored.
- I had to pee.
- My wife texted me that our house was robbed.
Justification, on the other hand, specifically shares the same root word as justice: just. By doing so, I think it refers specifically to a type of reason or excuse that explains an action that has moral consequence.
Ex: His justification for getting in a fight was to defend his girlfriend.
Or: They justified the invasion because of the threat of WMDs.
In hindsight, if we agree with the justification, the word sticks. If we think the party justifying their actions stretched the truth and their cause was not just, we tend to re-categorize their justification into an excuse.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 12:38 pm to epbart
Look that was too well thought out for the OT. I'm going to have to ask you to step out.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 12:46 pm to Buttermilk Pancakes
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As an example, I had a friend say he lied to the pawn shop to get a free guitar by telling them I have a patient with stage 4 liver cancer because cancer took my father and I need a guitar. Is that an excuse or justification?
As the first person to reply said, this is a lie.
The excuse he might tell you or other friends why he swindled the pawn shop might be because he really loves guitars and has no money, but the lie he told the store doesn't seem to fit the idea of an excuse at all.
If he were to have tried to obtain the guitar for free using some other means, like a fake letter from the hospital or similar, and got caught, then he might come up with an "excuse" (basically attempting to falsely create a justification) to tell the pawn shop clerk in order to not get in trouble.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 12:46 pm to Dr. Shultz
I should rephrase it to say he has a patient with cancer... He did this because his own dad died and he needs a guitar.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 12:48 pm to Hulkklogan
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Look that was too well thought out for the OT. I'm going to have to ask you to step out.
I reckon that's part of the reason... for being part of this site for about 10 years... I've only managed about 1800 posts.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 1:50 pm to Buttermilk Pancakes
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He did this because his own dad died and he needs a guitar.
He WANTS a guitar which has absolutely nothing to do with his dad or cancer.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 1:53 pm to boddagetta
quote:
Excuses are like assholes.
that's opinions buddy
Posted on 3/2/15 at 2:00 pm to RonBurgundy
Well, that's just like your opinion man.
I've heard it both ways, fwiw.
I've heard it both ways, fwiw.
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