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re: Jury selection begins in trial of man who killed Joe McKnight
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:07 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:07 pm to lsupride87
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McKnight had no gun on him
Doesnt matter, he can still kill or injure RG
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but I dont think he ever once made gasser fear for his life.
Speculation
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Standing outside of someones car yelling is in no way is a reasonable fear for your life
Argumentative
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Gasser was charged with physically assaulting someone at this exact same intersection before over road rage
Irrelevant
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I think, based on a guess from the little info we have, gasser killed mcknight out of rage
Speculation
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Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:09 pm to lsupride87
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So with the only facts we have now, Gasser looks to be currently guilty of murder, correct?
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:09 pm to tgrbaitn08
quote:Well, legally he can yes
So just because he's a hot head he's not allowed to fear for his life?
But it just seems to naw at my common sense that you can potentially start an altercation, than use deadly force to the other party when you now "fear for your life" when the other party is unarmed....
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:10 pm to Placebeaux
quote:Why are you laughing?
Placebeaux
If these are the only facts as of now, than by legal definition, it appears Gasser murdered JM
FACT: JM pulled next to RG car
FACT: Where JM pulled up is not a lane where any car should be
FACT: JM got out his car
FACT: JM approached RG car window
FACT: JM was shot by RG
As the facts are now, there is no reasonable fear for life.
This post was edited on 1/16/18 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:10 pm to tgrbaitn08
The jurors are gonna have to take in all of the evidence and make a decision on that. I can’t say without knowing more. It looks like manslaughter verdict to me. It’s the easiest verdict for the jury. He doesn’t get no time for those who think he is guilty. And for those who think he is innocent he doesn’t spend his life in jail. Obvi Depends on the makeup of the jury.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:11 pm to Placebeaux
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but I dont think he ever once made gasser fear for his life.
Speculation
As is your speculation that he feared for his life
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Standing outside of someones car yelling is in no way is a reasonable fear for your life
Argumentative
Truth per LA State law. If JM didn't try to enter the vehicle, it'll be hard for Gasser to get off.
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Gasser was charged with physically assaulting someone at this exact same intersection before over road rage
Irrelevant
Admitted into evidence so you'd be wrong.
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I think, based on a guess from the little info we have, gasser killed mcknight out of rage
Speculation
I mean he literally said it was a guess so..
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:13 pm to lsupride87
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But it just seems to naw at my common sense that you can potentially start an altercation, than use deadly force to the other party when you now "fear for your life" when the other party is unarmed....
You can have a disagreement. You dont have to be armed to hurt or kill.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:13 pm to tgrbaitn08
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He felt his life was in danger
That's a tougher defense given his history and the like 3 mile road rage incident. When you start getting the "reasonable" term thrown around, it's not as easy for Gasser.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:13 pm to lsupride87
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that you can potentially start an altercation
can you prove who started the altercation?
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than use deadly force to the other party when you now "fear for your life" when the other party is unarmed....
if he feared for his life then he feared for his life....how do you know he wasnt fearing for his life?
Crazy arse big black NFL football player that has already cut me off, following me for several miles, pulls up and blocks me in at a red light, exits the vehicle and start walking towards my car and try to enter my car.....yeah....I can see how he feared for his life
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:14 pm to slackster
quote:Right. Without some evidence of McKnight trying to enter Gassers car, how the hell can there be reasonable fear for his life?
That's a tougher defense given his history and the like 3 mile road rage incident. When you start getting the "reasonable" term thrown around, it's not as easy for Gasser.
Placebeaux, would you like to answer
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:14 pm to lsupride87
Did we all forget the FACT that there was an altercation and tension between the two. Im sorry, I just took that for known fact.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:15 pm to Placebeaux
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You can have a disagreement. You dont have to be armed to hurt or kill.
No but if they go down that road, then the 2006 incident makes it very easy to show it wasn't a fear for his life, it was an uncontrollable rage.
They will likely argue JM tried to enter the vehicle because then nothing else matters.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:15 pm to tgrbaitn08
quote:This isnt how it works....
if he feared for his life then he feared for his life....how do you know he wasnt fearing for his life?
Did he "reasonably fear for his life".
In your definition, we could just kill people and say "they looked at me weird, I feared for my life"
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:17 pm to tgrbaitn08
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Crazy arse big black NFL football player that has already cut me off, following me for several miles, pulls up and blocks me in at a red light,
Gasser was the original one who followed McKnight after mcknight cut him off. Per your link earlier
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exits the vehicle and start walking towards my car and try to enter my car.....yeah....I can see how he feared for his life
That isn't fact. If it is, he doesn't need to fear for his life. He only needs to reasonably believe shooting him is the only way he will stop.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:17 pm to Placebeaux
quote:Not at all. I copied your list of FACTS by the way.....so blame yourself for leaving that out
Did we all forget the FACT that there was an altercation and tension between the two
Regardless, there previous altercation, in which gasser also chased JM for miles, coupled with gassers previous road rage incident, wont be enough to show "reasonable fear for his life"
They will argue that McKnight tried to enter the vehicle. We will see what happens
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:18 pm to TH03
Without physical evidence it's going to be tough for him to prove he feared for his life. In my opinion.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:18 pm to lsupride87
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Without some evidence of McKnight trying to enter Gassers car, how the hell can there be reasonable fear for his life?
JM got OUT his car and its a fact he approached the window because in order to get shot through the window you have to be standing in front of the window. NOW if you look at the photo of the two cars, they are in very close proximity to each other so that tells me he was at the window.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:18 pm to tgrbaitn08
Btw I'd love to see:
Argued in court
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Crazy arse big black NFL football player
Argued in court
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:19 pm to lsupride87
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Did he "reasonably fear for his life".
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt...that he did
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we could just kill people and say "they looked at me weird, I feared for my life"
but thats not what happened here
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:19 pm to tgrbaitn08
quote:The report you actually posted earlier said Gasser started the following
Crazy arse big black NFL football player that has already cut me off, following me for several miles, pulls up and blocks me in at a red light, exits the vehicle and start walking towards my car and try to enter my car.....yeah....I can see how he feared for his life
And then, they continued to change who was following whoquote:Well that hasnt been listed as happening yet
and try to enter my car.
I think you have everything mixed up
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