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re: Jury selection begins in trial of man who killed Joe McKnight
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:20 pm to VABuckeye
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:20 pm to VABuckeye
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Without physical evidence it's going to be tough for him to prove he feared for his life. In my opinion.
That's why I don't think they'll go that route. Hard to prove and it opens them up to the 2006 incident which could be a disaster.
They'll try like hell to prove McKnight tried to enter the car.
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Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:20 pm to tgrbaitn08
quote:Well that seems nice
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt...that he did
Seems like he should have just not been following JM and driving wildly with him for miles then....
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:20 pm to VABuckeye
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Without physical evidence it's going to be tough for him to prove he feared for his life. In my opinion.
there was a 6ft 230lbs angry man at his window that was mad at him, so mad that he got out his car and approached RG car.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:21 pm to Placebeaux
Even if he's at the window it's not proof that he was going to attack the guy. Hell, even his fingerprints on the window sill or body of the car wouldn't prove that. The door handle would be another matter.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:21 pm to TH03
quote:Agreed
They'll try like hell to prove McKnight tried to enter the car.
They open up a huge fricking can of worms in the "fear for his life defense" The jury will chew that up and spit it out with his past, plus the mile long ride Gasser had with JM
They will go on he tried to enter Gassers car
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:21 pm to VABuckeye
quote:It wouldnt prove it, but it sure as hell would help the defense
Even if he's at the window it's not proof that he was going to attack the guy. Hell, even his fingerprints on the window sill or body of the car wouldn't prove that.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:21 pm to Placebeaux
I don't think you know what physical evidence means...
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:22 pm to TH03
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Gasser was the original one who followed McKnight after mcknight cut him off. Per your link earlier
per my link they were following each other playing cat and mouse weaving in and out of traffic.....I even sent you a link of video footage of JM following Gasser around a corner.
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he doesn't need to fear for his life. He only needs to reasonably believe shooting him is the only way he will stop.
either way....I believe he feared for his life as well as he believed the only way to get JM to stop was to shoot him
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:22 pm to Placebeaux
quote:And Gasser was a man with a gun, a man with a gun that physically assaulted someone of road rage before and now started the following of JM.......
there was a 6ft 230lbs angry man at his window that was mad at him, so mad that he got out his car and approached RG car.
They arent going with the fear for your life defense, it would get shredded
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:23 pm to Placebeaux
So anger is now a reason to shoot someone? Not once, not twice but three times?
And what if the first shot was the one that hit him in his left hand and he bent over from pain? The next two shots are murder. In my opinion.
It could be fear for his life but something needs to come out to show this. If they were chasing each other and harassing each other for miles they were both willing participants.
And what if the first shot was the one that hit him in his left hand and he bent over from pain? The next two shots are murder. In my opinion.
It could be fear for his life but something needs to come out to show this. If they were chasing each other and harassing each other for miles they were both willing participants.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:23 pm to tgrbaitn08
quote:You truly believe that?
I believe he feared for his life as well as he believed the only way to get JM to stop was to shoot him
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:24 pm to VABuckeye
Obviously they'd ideally like fingerprints on the door handle either inside or out, but they could argue he tried to reach through the window or something. Any fingerprints would help that.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:25 pm to tgrbaitn08
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per my link they were following each other playing cat and mouse weaving in and out of traffic.....I even sent you a link of video footage of JM following Gasser around a corner.
Right but gasser began the pursuit. McKnight cut him off. He could've slowed down and said frick you in his car. He chose to speed up and start this chase and McKnight joined him.
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either way....I believe he feared for his life as well as he believed the only way to get JM to stop was to shoot him
He's gonna get torn to bits if he brings this defense.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:25 pm to TH03
True
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:26 pm to lsupride87
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But it just seems to naw at my common sense that you can potentially start an altercation, than use deadly force to the other party when you now "fear for your life" when the other party is unarmed....
It's a peculiar thing about self defense laws in each state. LA doesn't allow the aggressor to claim self defense unless he tried to withdraw:
quote:
§21. Aggressor cannot claim self defense
A person who is the aggressor or who brings on a difficulty cannot claim the right of self-defense unless he withdraws from the conflict in good faith and in such a manner that his adversary knows or should know that he desires to withdraw and discontinue the conflict.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:26 pm to lsupride87
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Seems like he should have just not been following JM and driving wildly with him for miles then....
i even posted a video of JM following Gasser yet you keep ignoring that FACT
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:27 pm to slackster
quote:Exactly. They will go with the castle doctrine.
It's a peculiar thing about self defense laws in each state. LA doesn't allow the aggressor to claim self defense unless he tried to withdraw:
THey are going to stay miles away from trying to make Gasser look like a man that feared for his life in self defense
The mile long cat and mouse chase and past incidents would make that look foolish in the eyes of a jury
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:28 pm to tgrbaitn08
quote:Huh? I have said they both followed each other......
i even posted a video of JM following Gasser yet you keep ignoring that FACT
Fact is, Gasser, according to reports, started the following......
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:28 pm to lsupride87
quote:
You truly believe that?
all it takes is for one juror to believe that
Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:29 pm to tgrbaitn08
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i even posted a video of JM following Gasser yet you keep ignoring that FACT
JM cuts off RG
RG gets pissed and chases after him.
They swerve in and out cutting each other off and yelling out their windows until they reach the red light.
JM gets out of car, approaches window, and is shot 3 times by RG
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