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re: June 12, 2025: Air India 787 Dreamliner crashes in the city of Ahmedabad
Posted on 6/21/25 at 8:46 am to redstick13
Posted on 6/21/25 at 8:46 am to redstick13
That is crazy. Fuel contamination? How would that be limited to only one flight?
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:01 am to T1gerNate
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Fuel contamination? How would that be limited to only one flight?
Maybe it takes a whole truck to fuel a 787. Or maybe they put the wrong fuel in it.
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:02 am to T1gerNate
They referenced an incident from 2020 where too much of a fuel additive was added to the tanks of an Airbus A321.
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:15 am to Shaun176
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Maybe it takes a whole truck to fuel a 787. Or maybe they put the wrong fuel in it.
Maybe I’m missing something but it takes more than one truck to refuel a 787. At least one on each wing, which everything is entirely separate systems to prevent a single point of failure knocking the whole thing out the sky. So fuel issues would have to be larger than just one truck with extra shite in it.
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:20 am to T1gerNate
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That is crazy. Fuel contamination? How would that be limited to only one flight?
Oh they’ll make it limited this time
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:21 am to Volvagia
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which everything is entirely separate systems to prevent a single point
not so, it can be fueled through a single point, at smaller airports tanker trucks are sometimes used but typically the truck is a pump truck that connects to an underground fuel system to fuel the jet
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:24 am to Shaun176
787. Or maybe they put the wrong fuel in it.
Guys and gals, can you even imagine?
It’s 2025, I would not think a commercial airliner being fueled with the WRONG fuel as even a possible reason for 270 people to die.
Guys and gals, can you even imagine?
It’s 2025, I would not think a commercial airliner being fueled with the WRONG fuel as even a possible reason for 270 people to die.
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:26 am to 777Tiger
Fair enough. I thought while there were ways to transfer fuel for emergent situation, each engine in these two engine configs has its own fuel tank entirely separate.
Seems pointless if they share a fuel line.
Seems pointless if they share a fuel line.
This post was edited on 6/21/25 at 9:27 am
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:29 am to Volvagia
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each engine has its own fuel tank entirely separate.
two wing tanks and a larger center tank, either engine can be fed from any tank, fuel is burned by both engines from center tank first and then from the wings
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:32 am to 777Tiger
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two wing tanks and a larger center tank, either engine can be fed from any tank, fuel is burned by both engines from center tank first and then from the wings
Can't you also transfer the fuel to different tanks to keep the plane balanced?
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:34 am to TDTOM
Depends on the acft
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:35 am to jizzle6609
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787. Or maybe they put the wrong fuel in it.
Guys and gals, can you even imagine?
It’s 2025, I would not think a commercial airliner being fueled with the WRONG fuel as even a possible reason for 270 people to die.
I haven't heard anything to back this up, but it is possible.
Recall the Air Canada 767 that ran short of fuel because they forgot to convert metric to imperial volumes.
Also recall the Concorde crash in Paris where they intentionally filled the tanks too much and didn't bother to recalc takeoff speeds after a wind shift.
This is all certainly possible.
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:36 am to TDTOM
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Can't you also transfer the fuel to different tanks to keep the plane balanced?
tanks can be balanced by cross feeding, I.e., both engines burn from one side until balanced then reconfigure tank to engine
Posted on 6/21/25 at 10:05 am to Shaun176
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Or maybe they put the wrong fuel in it.
I am not an expert on airport fuels but it looks like there are only two types at most airports. JetA and Avgas. JetA for jet turbines and Avgas for piston.
From what I have read, a jet engine can burn Avgas but there are issues such as lead buildup and turbine temps being too high but these are long term issues and should not cause immediate operational problems.
Posted on 6/21/25 at 10:53 am to BHM
There is a fuel monitoring system that the fuel runs through on it's way to the plane. It is there to prevent fueling the plane with contaminated fuel, water in the fuel, dirt, sand, whatever. So did the monitoring system fail?
Posted on 7/9/25 at 1:08 pm to JackDempsey
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The investigation into the Air India flight 171 crash has zeroed in on the movement of the engine fuel control switches, following an analysis of the Boeing (BA.N), opens new tab 787's flight and voice data recorders, the Air Current reported on Tuesday.
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 1:16 pm to HeadCall
The pilots shut the fuel off? Is that even possible?
This post was edited on 7/9/25 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 7/9/25 at 1:21 pm to redstick13
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The pilots cut the fuel off? Is that even possible?
Sure seems like there would be some kind of nanny software that wouldn't allow such a thing to happen in takeoff configuration.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 1:24 pm to redstick13
I guess the preliminary report will be released on Friday but apparently the focus is on “the position of the fuel control switches.”
And yeah, you can turn them off.
And yeah, you can turn them off.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 1:29 pm to HeadCall
Russia issued a a warning of possible jet fuel contamination from Russian sources on June 6th.
Not sure where India fuel comes from.
Not sure where India fuel comes from.
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