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Posted on 6/13/25 at 10:30 am to Auburn1968
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I just measured the runway in Google World. It's 11,810 feet from end to end. The taxiways enter the sole runway at 5000, 7000 and 8000 feet with one offering the full 11,810 feet.
They were taking off to the west. So they would’ve had to back taxi on the runway to utilize full length, which I’m pretty sure they did.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 10:32 am to sotex
And again, speculation aside it did take off and get to 600 feet, it’s implausible the flaps retraction would have caused the ram air turbines to deploy, for which there is also photographic/audio evidence.
They recovered at least one of the black boxes, so all this debate will become moot when the Indians reveal the data. The 787 saves data down to the ohms drawn from each seat’s USB port. This won’t be as complicated a debate as many now think it is. It’s almost impossible to configure the 787 for takeoff completely wrong, or then accidentally yank the flaps/engines. Contrarily, the pilots can’t really do much without thrust, on a plane carrying fuel/pax for a 10 hour flight.
They recovered at least one of the black boxes, so all this debate will become moot when the Indians reveal the data. The 787 saves data down to the ohms drawn from each seat’s USB port. This won’t be as complicated a debate as many now think it is. It’s almost impossible to configure the 787 for takeoff completely wrong, or then accidentally yank the flaps/engines. Contrarily, the pilots can’t really do much without thrust, on a plane carrying fuel/pax for a 10 hour flight.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 10:38 am to sotex
If you watch the full takeoff video, the plane blows a cloud of dust into the sky right as it rotates. I’m seeing lots of reputable people say that they over ran the runway at takeoff for that to happen.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 10:40 am to jmh5724
Possibly the plane was overloaded?
Posted on 6/13/25 at 10:44 am to Cosmo
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Wasnt one shot down by a ukrainian missile?
Obviously Boeing should have had anti-air countermeasures installed.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 10:47 am to Cosmo
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Wasnt one shot down by a ukrainian missile
Russian missile in Ukrainian territory using proxies after their first invasion in 2014. Planes had continued to fly over that territory during that conflict as their was no evidence anyone was using surface to air missiles at the time.
Another Boeing 737 flown by Ukrainian airline was shot down by Iranian air defense by accident in 2020 as they were scared shitless of us.
This post was edited on 6/13/25 at 10:50 am
Posted on 6/13/25 at 10:50 am to RollTide1987
"The ministry of civil aviation said Air India has been ordered to carry out “additional maintenance actions” on its Boeing 787-8/9 aircraft equipped with GE Aerospace GEnx engines."
LINK
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Posted on 6/13/25 at 10:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Possibly the plane was overloaded?
Too many toe rings?
Posted on 6/13/25 at 11:03 am to RogerTheShrubber
Possibly or wrong power settings. May have been past abort speed but not quite at rotate speed and ran out of runway and had to take it up.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 11:10 am to jmh5724
Well, I don’t know but maybe it did have a longer-than-planned takeoff (and theoretically the flaps could have been extended at an improper/insufficient amount, though not in extended, but that doesn’t explain the takeoff roll). Still, that’s not dispositive of any issue as to the crash, as it then ascended to 600+ feet before just…running out of power. This lever also is not just ‘right next to’ the landing gear;
Posted on 6/13/25 at 11:12 am to sotex
So, the survivor is talking and said the lights flickered then the plane seemed to kind of glide until crashing. May have been major or catastrophic power failure. Would also explain why it struggled to get off the runway.
I'm wondering if the settings were correct, but the engines were failing to produce the power.
I'm wondering if the settings were correct, but the engines were failing to produce the power.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 5:31 pm to IT_Dawg
Hearing bad rumors and taking more of an interest in me and my family’s safety is bad. Got it. Hey, next time you need surgery definitely don’t ask any questions about a surgeon or proceduralist that has a bad history that’s been assigned to your case ok? Would be a stupid take.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 5:32 pm to DaleGribblesMower
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Hearing bad rumors and taking more of an interest in me and my family’s safety is bad. Got it. Hey, next time you need surgery definitely don’t ask any questions about a surgeon or proceduralist that has a bad history that’s been assigned to your case ok? Would be a stupid take.
Don’t let doctors fly airplanes. They’ve proven time and again to be bad at it
Posted on 6/14/25 at 5:10 am to Galactic Inquisitor
There's audio from one of the videos where you can clearly hear the prop on the RAT spinning. Looking like there was some sort of engine and/or hydraulic issue.
This post was edited on 6/14/25 at 5:13 am
Posted on 6/14/25 at 6:30 am to redstick13
They should just make the entire plane out of the same material they use for black boxes. Problem solved.
Posted on 6/14/25 at 8:57 am to GeorgeTheGreek
Any updates? Seems like original thoughts were pilot error, recent findings may lead to plane issue?
Posted on 6/14/25 at 10:22 am to GeauxTime9
I predict Boeing stock is about to be a lot cheaper.
Posted on 6/14/25 at 10:39 am to jmh5724
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I’m seeing lots of reputable people say that they over ran the runway at takeoff for that to happen.
Very dry and dusty airport. There are many videos of dust clouds being blown up by wide bodies taking off there. There speed at take off was more than adequate as indicated by the rate of climb.
Posted on 6/14/25 at 10:46 am to jmh5724
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May have been past abort speed but not quite at rotate speed and ran out of runway and had to take it up.
Need a pilot to confirm but I think V1 speed is the go/no go speed or decision speed. At V1, you either commit to rotate or you abort. Probably not that simple so I could be wrong.
This post was edited on 6/14/25 at 10:47 am
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