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re: July 2025 Bar Exam Results
Posted on 10/4/25 at 12:59 pm to Mo Jeaux
Posted on 10/4/25 at 12:59 pm to Mo Jeaux
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What the frick is your problem, you angry old woman? You expressly said that they were different.
Yeah well, at least I didn't fail 5th grade reading comprehension and logic like you obviously did. The whole damn point is how they came to be enacted in the first place:
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Saying yes to some case that's been precedent for decades instead of rocking the boat by overturning it, is not in anyway the same as formulating an entire new legal system we all have to live and be governed by from scratch.
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 2:18 pm to TigerGman
#1 reason Louisiana trails in all the gold categories versus other states.
The TRICKLE DOWN LAWYER FATIGUE.
The legal system in La. Is so fricked & done so on purpose.
JOB SECURITY.
Being a top litigious state, 100% titled against doing business in La.
They make it hard, put bullseyes on small business. They allow for frivolous lawsuits, then stretch them out in court, all sides EAT while the company or small biz. Owner gets ripped off legally.
Then the judge says “why are ya’ll fighting, you need to settle this”
Because he doesn’t want to make a “legit judgement” on anything that can possibly hurt his picking reelection bid, so he forces heavily on both parties to “settle out of court” at the final hour. Overtime on the 6” line.
It’s too much to type, but the system is so fricked up here and we need LESS LAWYERS, scum of the earth, but I do have a coupon that I’d go to war with. Very important to have a good lawyer in whatever it is you need it in.
The TRICKLE DOWN LAWYER FATIGUE.
The legal system in La. Is so fricked & done so on purpose.
JOB SECURITY.
Being a top litigious state, 100% titled against doing business in La.
They make it hard, put bullseyes on small business. They allow for frivolous lawsuits, then stretch them out in court, all sides EAT while the company or small biz. Owner gets ripped off legally.
Then the judge says “why are ya’ll fighting, you need to settle this”
Because he doesn’t want to make a “legit judgement” on anything that can possibly hurt his picking reelection bid, so he forces heavily on both parties to “settle out of court” at the final hour. Overtime on the 6” line.
It’s too much to type, but the system is so fricked up here and we need LESS LAWYERS, scum of the earth, but I do have a coupon that I’d go to war with. Very important to have a good lawyer in whatever it is you need it in.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 2:46 pm to The Torch
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What income do these fresh graduates expect ?
$350K
Posted on 10/4/25 at 2:51 pm to Cell of Awareness
FYI
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The tuition for Southern University Law Center is significantly higher than $5,669, with full-time in-state tuition at $20,682 and out-of-state tuition at $34,282 for the academic year. The figure of $5,669 may refer to a cost for a single semester or a non-tuition related expense, but it does not reflect the full annual tuition cost for the Southern University Law Center.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 4:06 pm to Westbank111
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legit judgement”
You misspelled "judgment".
Posted on 10/4/25 at 4:20 pm to TigerGman
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from scratch.
Naw.
Even the OG codes weren't "from scratch" and each successive version has the same societal considerations and history as the common law systems.
Even in a non-successive codal lineage like Hammurabi didn't start "from scratch", and that example is almost 4000 years old. And there's overlap in that near-4000 year old code and our civil codes we see today.
That's why we have so many codes. Even for a relatively young jurisdiction like Louisiana. We've had what, four civil codes alone in about 200 years?
Posted on 10/4/25 at 11:21 pm to SaintsTiger
quote:We have 100% of those who took the LA bar. That is the entire population of LA bar takers from all schools. You don’t understand statistics.
Sure we are. We have 60% and 35% respective samples of graduates.
This post was edited on 10/4/25 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 10/5/25 at 6:14 am to TigerGman
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TigerGman
You’re such a pissy little retard.
Here’s your statement to which I was responding:
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But only an idiot would say Common law codifications of case law are comparable to legislatively enacted Codes.
How in the frick, since you’re so much more logical than I am apparently (what law school did you go to by the way?) are they not “comparable” since a codification is legislatively enacted?
Even the process of “saying yes to a case that’s been precedent” ignores the actual messy process of codification.
Since you’re sooooo much smarter than the rest of us, why don’t you expressly state the thought that you’re trying to convey in a more clear manner?
And go frick yourself while you’re at it, you dumb twat.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 7:25 am to Gravitiger
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We have 100% of those who took the LA bar. That is the entire population of LA bar takers from all schools. You don’t understand statistics.
You’re using semantics to ignore the merits of this data. Of those, likely a non-inconsequential part of the pool did not take Civil Law classes. They decided later in school to stay in New Orleans. Source: comments ITT. They would have had to cram for the bar. I’ll go out on a limb and say the students that did take the Civil Law track very likely had pass rates on the order of Loyola’s LA pass rates.
BTW consider that if 2 people from Tulane took it with one passing and one failing, they’d have a 50% fail rate. But it wouldn’t tell us much. Just like this smaller number of bar exam takers doesn’t meaningfully compare to the other 3 schools groups.
Again, nationwide bar pass would be a better indicator of legal education quality of all 4 schools.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 7:36 am to Mo Jeaux
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Since you’re sooooo much smarter than the rest of us, why don’t you expressly state the thought that you’re trying to convey in a more clear manner?
And go frick yourself while you’re at it, you dumb twat.
And repeat myself just for you for the third time? I'll pass...
Tell you what I can do. Go here, get back to us when you're finished, and I'll cut and paste for you again: LINK
This post was edited on 10/5/25 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:26 am to Cell of Awareness
No way that’s annually
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:44 am to lsucoonass
Gotta say... impressed with Southern's passage rate. It was routinely in the 30s and 40s
Posted on 10/5/25 at 10:16 am to SaintsTiger
quote:You started this whole thing with, "Guess lawyers don't understand math," then proceeded to incorrectly use a number of statistical terms. That was my point.
You’re using semantics to ignore the merits of this data.
The only thing we can determine from these data is that, among first-time 2025 LA bar-takers, a higher percentage of Southern alumni passed than Tulane alumni. That's it.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 10:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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Even in a non-successive codal lineage like Hammurabi didn't start "from scratch", and that example is almost 4000 years old. And there's overlap in that near-4000 year old code and our civil codes we see today.
That's why we have so many codes. Even for a relatively young jurisdiction like Louisiana. We've had what, four civil codes alone in about 200 years?
They were more compilations rather than well structured codes until the French Projét de Governemet (sp?) a/k/a Code Napoleon or Code Portalis.
Civil Law, as juxtaposed to Common Law, really refers to non commercial, no labor policy private law (ie, law between the parties) rooted in Ancient Rome. No codification needed.
See e.g., Las Siete Partes (sp?), a Civil Law compilation in colonial era Spain that existed at the time of France’s Code Civíl. Both worths were simply French and Spanish instantiations of Roman Civil Law with local variations.
Also, Louisiana’s Civil Code has been amended several times over the years. It has never been abrogated and replaced.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 10:28 am to Gravitiger
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You started this whole thing with, "Guess lawyers don't understand math," then proceeded to incorrectly use a number of statistical terms. That was my point. The only thing we can determine from these data is that, among first-time 2025 LA bar-takers, a higher percentage of Southern alumni passed than Tulane alumni. That's it.
Got you.
My issue is you chimed in with a technical quibble rather than engage on the merits. I have no doubts you know what the strict academic definition of significant sample size is. This is a casual Internet forum though and I don’t really care to comply with the strict technical definition so long as meaning and intent are communicated.
Reminds me of a quote of Mark Twain:
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There are 3 kinds of lies. Lies, damn lies, and statistics.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 10:43 am to SaintsTiger
quote:It wasn't really a technical issue. It undermined the merits of your point.
My issue is you chimed in with a technical quibble rather than engage on the merits.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 1:01 pm to Gravitiger
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Statistical significance is only for when you are inferring an effect from a sample. Here we have the entire population of 2025 LA bar takers from both schools. Source: Lawyer with a separate graduate degree in quantitative research methods
You choose to draw the line at 76 test takers. That’s subjective. I think looking at all 205 gives a better idea of Tulane grad quality and bar preparedness.
Again, 206 test takers is more statistically significant ie indicative of grad quality and bar preparedness than 76. Labeling this as a population, statistically significant, or a sample or not doesn’t change that basic truth.
This post was edited on 10/5/25 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 10/5/25 at 4:10 pm to Westbank111
Putting aside your indelicate phrasing you are exactly right. We have a legal system and culture that fosters frivolous lawsuits, especially auto claims. We need to pre screen all suits for merit like we do in med mal, or put auto claims into a separate non jury tribunal like workers comp.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 7:15 am to SaintsTiger
quote:No, thats all there were--76 LA test takers. I didn't draw the line. The population is what it is. I'm not making any claims about grad quality and bar preparedness (although I would argue that if you control for incoming student quality, this helps Southern's argument in that regard).
You choose to draw the line at 76 test takers. That’s subjective. I think looking at all 205 gives a better idea of Tulane grad quality and bar preparedness.
This post was edited on 10/6/25 at 7:17 am
Posted on 10/6/25 at 7:16 am to Maynard James Keenan
How many end up in PI mega firms?
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