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re: July 2025 Bar Exam Results

Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:45 am to
Posted by RanchoLaPuerto
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:45 am to
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The LA bar is tough b/c it's a fricking marathon.


Absolutely harder than states that use the MBE.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:45 am to
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Common Law vs Civil Law is the most overhyped bullshite.

There’s no real difference among states; they all have both to some degree. Louisiana calls a couple terms weird and that’s about it.


Nobody wants to admit this.

My brother in Christ, I admit this.

The common law jurisdictions all have codes now and we use common law principles in our litigation.

The only thing that is really different is property, and that's not exclusive to Louisiana. Ultimately there will be a uniform property law code and we'll adopt it like the UCC.
Posted by RanchoLaPuerto
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:48 am to
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Ultimately there will be a uniform property law code and we'll adopt it like the UCC.


This I doubt. Our strong policy is unity of ownership. That’s why you cannot permanently sever mineral rights in Louisiana.
Posted by HouseMom
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 9:02 am to
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Either that or they just do a better job teaching to the test.


The bar exam is not the ACT.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 9:06 am to
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The bar exam is not the ACT.


What do you mean by this?
Posted by HouseMom
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 9:15 am to
Just that there is no analytical portion where you have to produce anything. The ACT is a culmination of all of your years of schooling and is nothing more than a timed recall test of basic skills. It's much easier to "teach" to the test when you're only dealing with comma usage or the Pythagorean Theorem.

The ACT writing portion is optional, and even that is graded on aspects of the written piece itself - grammar, word usage, flow, etc. You could write an essay about green beans being your favorite meal and potentially score a 12.
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 9:20 am to
It would be a net positive for the state if no one passed the bar in 2025
Posted by HouseMom
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 9:26 am to
Touche'
Posted by SaintsTiger
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 9:27 am to
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Statistical significance is only for when you are inferring an effect from a sample. Here we have the entire population of 2025 LA bar takers from both schools.

Source: Lawyer with a separate graduate degree in quantitative research methods.


People ITT are inferring an effect from the sample, though, by arguing that Southern is better for LA bar passage than Tulane.

Southern had roughly 260 graduates in the Spring while Tulane had around 205.

157 first time test takers for SULC means about 60% of its graduates took the LA bar exam.

72 first time test takers for Tulane means about 35% of its graduates took the LA bar exam.

Given the large disparity in percentages of test takers and the relatively small amount of Tulane grads actually sitting for the LA bar exam, the groups aren’t meaningfully comparable.

I’d be curious how overall populations did on their respective bar exams regardless of the state. My money is on Tulane.
Posted by Cold Cous Cous
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 11:10 am to
California does! And one of its introductory articles reads:

22.2.
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The common law of England, so far as it is not repugnant to or inconsistent with the Constitution of the United States, or the constitution or laws of this State, is the rule of decision in all the courts of this State.


I'd like to see Randy trahan square that circle
Posted by SaintsTiger
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 11:34 am to
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I'd like to see Randy trahan square that circle


It’s a Civil Code as juxtaposed to a Criminal Code. Not in the sense of being juxtaposed to Common Law.

The California Civil Code, and any of those of the other states besides Louisiana, are codifications of Commom Law, case precedents, and sometimes miscellaneous statutes. No informed person seriously thinks they are codifications of Roman Civil Law.
This post was edited on 10/4/25 at 11:36 am
Posted by Houstiger
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 11:35 am to
Took on 12 attorneys at Disney.
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? Trial? Gang bang? Use you words
Posted by Gravitiger
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 11:41 am to
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People ITT are inferring an effect from the sample, though, by arguing that Southern is better for LA bar passage than Tulane.
We aren't dealing with a sample, we are dealing with the full population.

Also, that's an interpretation of the statistic, not a statistical inference.

You're arguing logic, not stats.
This post was edited on 10/4/25 at 11:43 am
Posted by TigerGman
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 11:54 am to
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Bruh, I practiced in both. It isn't particle physics


Nobody said it was.
But only an idiot would say Common law codifications of case law are comparable to legislatively enacted Codes.

Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 12:06 pm to
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But only an idiot would say Common law codifications of case law are comparable to legislatively enacted Codes.


Wouldn’t the fact that something is codified mean that it is legislatively enacted?
Posted by SaintsTiger
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 12:06 pm to
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We aren't dealing with a sample, we are dealing with the full population.


Sure we are. We have 60% and 35% respective samples of graduates.
This post was edited on 10/4/25 at 12:07 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 12:20 pm to
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Wouldn’t the fact that something is codified mean that it is legislatively enacted?


Where is the common law case progeny specifically creating the UCC?
Posted by TigerGman
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 12:27 pm to
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Wouldn’t the fact that something is codified mean that it is legislatively enacted?

No shite Sherlock. So?

Saying yes to some case that's been precedent for decades instead of rocking the boat by overturning it, is not in anyway the same as formulating an entire new legal system we all have to live and be governed by from scratch.

I'm not saying it's harder to the learn the Code than Common law.

I'm saying it's a much prouder and richer tradition that can't be brushed off as just "three different" french words meaning the same thing.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 12:45 pm to
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No shite Sherlock. So?


What the frick is your problem, you angry old woman? You expressly said that they were different.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 12:47 pm to
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Where is the common law case progeny specifically creating the UCC?


I don’t know. I haven’t researched it. Certainly it codified a lot of common law principles.
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