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Posted on 10/3/25 at 9:10 pm to The Torch
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Do most have offers or jobs already based on passing the bar ?
Some do some don't. Most large firms hire early, smaller firms vary because many of them don't have a set "hiring season".
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What income do these fresh graduates expect ?
Law has the widest range of compensation of any advanced degree. There is a huge variance in both initial and terminal comp depending on the type of law one practices, how good they are and the market they are in. We hired 1st years and $232k this year (not in LA), and I guarantee some grads will work for around $50k. Outside of the very unusual hire most Biglaw firms hire at or near what is called the Cravath Scale. It is what Cravath, Swaine & Moore pay; they literally set the value for new associates, and outside of a very special hire all Biglaw will follow them. It functions a bit like price fixing. I think Craveth this year was 251k for 1st years and a 5th year (for reference) is $480k.
Posted on 10/3/25 at 11:40 pm to Maynard James Keenan
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Tulane grads trounced by SULC in first time takers category. Tulane folks should’ve just gone to SULC.
Is 3 percentage points a trouncing?
Posted on 10/4/25 at 12:20 am to TigerDeacon
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Took a bar review course for another state. Just bought the barbri book for Louisiana
Louisiana civil law changes maybe three words from common law and wants to claim they're speaking Mandarin.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 12:52 am to BigPerm30
quote:It's the highest for Southern since 2018, by like 25%.
They must have lowered the standards. Thats a fricking ridiculous passage rate. It was sub 50% when I took it. The state just unleashed a bunch of unqualified attorneys.
The issue is that the rest of the schools didn't have a higher rate. They either hired a new bar prep instructor, got the best crop of students in Southern history, or a large portion of their test takers used another schools bar prep program.
When I was at Loyola, we had Scalise running bar prep. Our prep was much more vigorous and much more beneficial than any other school in the state, evidenced by our state leading pass rate.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 12:57 am to SaintsTiger
quote:It's statistically signficant for Tulane and Southern. Southern hovers around 40-50% and was on the verge of losing accredidation.
Apparently lawyers aren’t great at math.
If a couple more SULC students failed and a couple more Tulane students passed, the pass rates would flip.
That’s not statistically significant for any test results
Tulane has never been about the La bar, but they're always somewhere between 1-3. It's usually LSU, then Loyola a couple points behind, and Tulane right behind that. I don't know that I've ever seen Tulane that low on the list.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 1:04 am to RanchoLaPuerto
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Traditionally Tulane was pay your fees and make your Bs. LSU was more like storming a hostile beach; there were substantial casualties.
Thats a great description of the good old days at LSU when professors like Symeonides, Pugh, and Spaht were around.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 1:24 am to Teddy Ruxpin
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Louisiana civil law changes maybe three words from common law and wants to claim they're speaking Mandarin.
And the 49 other States all have a Civil Code too, right?
Posted on 10/4/25 at 6:58 am to PP7 for heisman
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It's statistically signficant for Tulane and Southern. Southern hovers around 40-50% and was on the verge of losing accredidation.
Tulane has never been about the La bar, but they're always somewhere between 1-3. It's usually LSU, then Loyola a couple points behind, and Tulane right behind that. I don't know that I've ever seen Tulane that low on the list.
Southern had 156 test takers while Tulane had 76. Again if 2 or 3 results were flipped on both sides, then Tulane would be in the lead.
Likely, most of Southern s graduating class took the LA bar while only a small portion of Tulane’s did.
Show me a larger data set of Tulane bar takers, like, say, 156 people, and I’d agree it’s closer to an apples to apples comparison.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 7:13 am to SaintsTiger
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Southern had 156 test takers while Tulane had 76. Again if 2 or 3 results were flipped on both sides, then Tulane would be in the lead.
All that is fair enough. And you are correct on the math.
The real issue here that I see is the relative value of the education. LSU has always been a solid value on the balance of tuition cost, quality of education and opportunity. Tulane has always had education and opportunity on the plus side of the analysis, with tuition being the drag. Southern has traditionally had low tuition on the plus side but clear minuses for education quality and opportunity.
Having Southern improve its education to the point that it is statistically neck and neck with Tulane in the Bar passage rate puts pluses in two columns for Southern. That makes its low tuition a huge value advantage.
It all depends on where you want to go and what you want to do. For a practice closing loans or doing purely local personal work like injury litigation or family law, a Southern degree is as useful as any as long as you can pass the Bar Exam.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 7:23 am to Eightballjacket
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Symeonides, Pugh, and Spaht
Don’t forget Cheney Joseph, the “Smiling Executioner.””
Posted on 10/4/25 at 7:39 am to SaintsTiger
quote:Statistical significance is only for when you are inferring an effect from a sample. Here we have the entire population of 2025 LA bar takers from both schools.
Apparently lawyers aren’t great at math.
If a couple more SULC students failed and a couple more Tulane students passed, the pass rates would flip.
That’s not statistically significant for any test results
Source: Lawyer with a separate graduate degree in quantitative research methods.
This post was edited on 10/4/25 at 7:41 am
Posted on 10/4/25 at 7:44 am to SaintsTiger
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That’s not statistically significant for any test results
People don’t believe statistics.
They do get narrative.
And the narrative is that Tulane, with all its money, pomp, and (searching for gentle synonyms for arrogance) cannot outperform a school that charges less than a tenth of its tuition.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 7:46 am to RanchoLaPuerto
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Symeonides, Pugh, and Spaht
Don’t forget Cheney Joseph, the “Smiling Executioner.””
Lamonica has em all beat.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 7:54 am to TigerGman
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Lamonica has em all beat.
No argument here!
Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:36 am to Parrish
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common law/civil law
In result, there is little difference between the two, with a few significant exceptions (e.g., permanent severance of real rights).
You just need to learn a different language of the law for each.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:39 am to TigerGman
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And the 49 other States all have a Civil Code too, right?
Bruh, I practiced in both. It isn't particle physics
Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:43 am to RanchoLaPuerto
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You’d better be billing when you were on the can.
should be the lawyers creed
Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:43 am to Lakeboy7
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If you didnt take the Code classes you aren't passing the LA Bar.
With bar prep, some intelligence, and a little work, you can easily pass the bar.
The LA bar is tough b/c it's a fricking marathon.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:44 am to RohanGonzales
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should be the lawyers creed
I guess you could say it’s . . . moving.
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