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re: Judge gives guy 50 years no parole for drug charge
Posted on 3/16/16 at 9:06 pm to 91TIGER
Posted on 3/16/16 at 9:06 pm to 91TIGER
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I'm with you brother. But don't be fooled, this 'no harm' drug crowd is all about you / me / them paying for their poor decisions. Let's do it like Lebanon, OD on the sidewalk, good luck, hope the varmints enjoy your carcass.
How much do you think "you pay" for this? I mean really? So your entire argument to keep it illegal is based on the fact that a tiny percentage of your tax dollars may be used for the healthcare of people on drugs.....and it's not now?
Would these costs not go down, with acceptable treatment? Seems to me ER costs are much higher than clinic costs, and these junkies have no issues coming up with $400 a month for Methadone with no taxpayer assistance.
This post was edited on 3/16/16 at 9:07 pm
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Posted on 3/16/16 at 9:08 pm to CatsGoneWild
quote:Sounds like you would do well in a place with Sharia law.
If everyone got 50 year punishments, I bet it would scare people from doing it. They need to put stronger sentences on people instead of a slap on the wrist
Posted on 3/16/16 at 9:09 pm to Napoleon
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So your entire argument to keep it illegal is based on the fact that a tiny percentage of your tax dollars may be used for the healthcare of people on drugs.....and it's not now?
The ONLY way this argument makes sense is if you allow doctors to refuse treatment. Which will never happen, so it's a dumb argument.
(This is a serious post in case that's not clear)
Posted on 3/16/16 at 9:10 pm to Uncle Stu
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of course, it's Vice....super liberal left wing, SJW, self-serving, holier than thou garbage that makes Rachel Maddow blush
painting any member of LE as vile and evil is their brand
They go after liberals too, and they are the only ones reporting from Africa and the sandbox war zones with that level of embedding. You can see the liberal slant on some issues, but a smart person can get the true story through any slant.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 9:12 pm to Maverick01
I don't agree with the judges assertion that more reducing the penalties for heroin possession/distribution resulted in the rise in heroin dealers. I think it has to do with demand created by cracking down on the pill mills and shady pain doctors. Those addicts were basically hung out to dry and found a cheaper fix with heroin. From what I've read, it's a nationwide issue too, not just in LA.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 9:14 pm to Napoleon
I'm in favor of legalizing in an effort to achieve less gov control, but like you expect that doing so would have certain results.
Are you in favor of abolishing healthcare through taxation of others?
Are you in favor of treatment facilities for those having made poor decisions being self supporting entities instead of gov run and citizen taxed? Would addicts come up with the treatment fees to be seen?
Are you in favor of stopping tax based funding to methadone clinics?
Are you in favor of abolishing healthcare through taxation of others?
Are you in favor of treatment facilities for those having made poor decisions being self supporting entities instead of gov run and citizen taxed? Would addicts come up with the treatment fees to be seen?
Are you in favor of stopping tax based funding to methadone clinics?
Posted on 3/16/16 at 9:16 pm to novabill
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Imagine what Drano would do if you ingested that. It is legal. In fact many things that would kill you if ingested is legal. Do you really the government to make those things illegal to keep you from partaking?
Good lord, there are some absolutely brain dead people on this board.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 9:19 pm to CatsGoneWild
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everyone got 50 year punishments, I bet it would scare people from doing it. They need to put stronger sentences on people instead of a slap on the wrist
Yep. Once we started putting people away for life for murder, everyone quit murdering people...
Oh wait...
Posted on 3/16/16 at 9:23 pm to sleepytime
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I don't agree with the judges assertion that more reducing the penalties for heroin possession/distribution resulted in the rise in heroin dealers. I think it has to do with demand created by cracking down on the pill mills and shady pain doctors. Those addicts were basically hung out to dry and found a cheaper fix with heroin. From what I've read, it's a nationwide issue too, not just in LA.
This
And as far legal or illegal, I don't know where to draw the line. But I do know that one of the most harmful drugs has been legal for a while now and no one seems to be complaining about that
There is pretty much nothing alcohol can't do to someone that other hard drugs can do, in terms of physical harm
Posted on 3/16/16 at 9:24 pm to Bleeding purple
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but like you expect that doing so would have certain results.
Like what? Allowing people who are addicted to a drug doing it without the prospect of incarceration over their heads? Alcohol causes more societal problems than all the other drugs combined. And I drink... a lot.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 9:31 pm to Bleeding purple
no, because so few of my tax dollars go to that.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 9:33 pm to glassman
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Alcohol causes more societal problems than all the other drugs combined
not sure I agree there, but I will agree the health cost of alcohol abuse is higher.
That being said how many people have a few drinks and become alcoholics and watch their entire life disappear in a short 1-5 years?
More of the same could be expected:
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We estimate that the cost of heroin addiction in the United States was US$21.9 billion in 1996. Of these costs, productivity losses accounted for approximately US$11.5 billion (53%), criminal activities US$5.2 billion (24%), medical care US$5.0 billion (23%), and social welfare US$0.1 billion (0.5%
LINK
notice the cost of criminal activity was only 1/4 of the main cost with loss of productivity being 50%
legalizing would predictably increase use and even if removing the criminal activity you would see increases in loss of productivity, medical care, and social issues.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 9:45 pm to Maverick01
So many of you are okay with cops shooing unarmed suspects because they did not comply, but complain about this? It doesn't match.
This post was edited on 3/16/16 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 3/16/16 at 9:46 pm to Bleeding purple
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legalizing would predictably increase use and even if removing the criminal activity you would see increases in loss of productivity, medical care, and social issues.
And the exact same could have been said before alcohol was legal
Or if the roles were reversed and opiates had been legal for a long time and alcohol was illegal, people who be saying the same shite about alcohol. "I don't want stupid drinks stumbling down the sidewalk with a bottle of vodka throwing up on themselves and driving a car" etc...
I'm not saying everything should be legal or illegal, it's just amusing to me how many people seem to have very few issues with alcohol being legal when we know how harmful it is
Posted on 3/16/16 at 10:14 pm to WG_Dawg
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grown adult arse people
Let's explore this train of thought a second.
First, do dealers only deal to adults? Are you saying that a drug dealer has never given a drug to someone under the age of 18? A simple Google search reveals that is bull shite.
Second problem I have with this line of thought is that the heroin user is seldom ever just hurting himself.
What of these two children that will grow up without their dad? LINK
What about this baby's death? LINK
But yeah, let's legalize this ASAP.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 10:21 pm to chattabama
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Let's explore this train of thought a second. First, do dealers only deal to adults? Are you saying that a drug dealer has never given a drug to someone under the age of 18? A simple Google search reveals that is bull shite. Second problem I have with this line of thought is that the heroin user is seldom ever just hurting himself. What of these two children that will grow up without their dad? LINK What about this baby's death? LINK But yeah, let's legalize this ASAP.
What are your thoughts on alcohol being legal?
Posted on 3/16/16 at 10:25 pm to jg8623
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What are your thoughts on alcohol being legal?
Some in this thread have argued that regulating heroin is the solution. We regulate alcohol. Has that solved alcohol-related deaths?
Posted on 3/16/16 at 10:29 pm to Bleeding purple
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I will agree the health cost of alcohol abuse is higher.
It is.
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That being said how many people have a few drinks and become alcoholics and watch their entire life disappear in a short 1-5 years?
Not many. But, every drug has people that have that want for it. You know alcohol can cause an OD.
There is zero justification for the WOD. It has been a disaster.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 10:30 pm to chattabama
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Some in this thread have argued that regulating heroin is the solution. We regulate alcohol. Has that solved alcohol-related deaths?
I agree with that statement
But your other post listing the negative parts of heroin implied that those are reasons why it should be illegal. And alcohol would check all those same boxes but yet it's legal
I honestly don't know where to draw the line on drugs being legal, but alcohol being legal is the one part most people just don't seem to care about, but yet they list of reasons why another drug should be illegal when those reasons apply to alcohol as well
Posted on 3/16/16 at 10:30 pm to chattabama
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What of these two children that will grow up without their dad? LINK
What about this baby's death? LINK
But yeah, let's legalize this ASAP.
It's illegal now and people are still using it. Prohibition causes more harm than good.
Do you think people are just going to start using heroin? It ain't hard to get right now.
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