re: Judge gives guy 50 years no parole for drug charge

you don't get it

passing laws that are "profitable for the wellbeing of the populace" is "nanny state" governance

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It's a question and I want you to answer it, not create more questions. How do you trust the government to regulate heroin production but not trust the government to do what governments are supposed to do, make laws for the benefit of the people?

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I trust the government to regulate heroin FAR more than I trust them to make decisions about what you or I can put into our own body and to take freedom away for voluntary transactions.

The Nanny State is one that makes those decisions for you. You're all in for the Nanny State.

if youre an anarchist, I suppose.

but no, I don't think the FDA regulating heroin would be an instance of "nanny state."

Banning it altogether is nanny state.

yeah, i guess if the laws said you could only posses some small, arbitrary amount it would be an overreach. obviously that is an improvement over status quo, but overreach nonetheless.

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Would you agree that more users equals a greater chance that you will encounter a user in your everyday life?

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Well, that's certainly a possibility. I don't necessarily think that the government is there to protect people's delicate sensibilities however.

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What about regulating production of an illicit drug?

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Why are u acting like this would be the first time in history we decide to regulate an illicit drug

We have examples readily available that shows we currently do that exact thing

And as far as safety, the drug itself would become safer as opposed to buying it illegally from dealers who get it thru cartels in Mexico, Afghanistan and wherever the hell else. We would be able to state the exact potency of said drug along with its added ingredients. Such as marking liquor 80 proof, 100 proof etc.

I want to make clear that I'm not stating that heroin itself should become legal tomorrow. Just stating that we've already gone thru this crap with alcohol and I don't hear anyone complaining about it. I don't know why this topic causes so many people to think irrationally and with a clear bias. Why do people just assume that because something is legal that all of a sudden people will be walking down the street with needles and snorting heroin or cocaine or whatever at their work desk

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Do you trust the person in the car next to you to be responsible? What about your child's bus driver or the semi truck driver who drives next to you on the interstate and is looking for something harder than caffeine to make it through his shift? Do you trust his judgment?
We've agreed that legalization leads to easier access, and easier access, in turn, leads to greater use. Would you agree that more users equals a greater chance that you will encounter a user in your everyday life?

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I have no idea the point you're trying to make here

Yes, legal means more people will probably try the drug and more will end up using long term I assume. Ok? And?

ETA: do you think alcohol should be made illegal again? Because that sure as hell endangers drivers on an everyday basis

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Well, that's certainly a possibility. I don't necessarily think that the government is there to protect people's delicate sensibilities however.

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I think, in some ways, they are, for we cannot depend on the individual conscience to decide what is legal and what should be illegal.

I think I am safe when going twenty plus MPH over the speed limit. I could even argue that I have yet to be involved in a major accident as proof that I am safe when driving way over the speed limit. Why should a police officer tell me that I can't go 85 in a 65? Is it because my actions affect others? If I did heroin, that would absolutely affect others even if i did it in the privacy of my own home. My family, children, neighbors, job, etc. could all be affected by this choice.

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If I did heroin, that would absolutely affect others even if i did it in the privacy of my own home. My family, children, neighbors, job, etc. could all be affected by this choice.

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Could is the key word there

You have yet to answer any of my questions regarding alcohol regulation. Alcohol affects family, children, neighbors, job, etc every day of the week. So I'm just curious on your feelings about alcohol being legal