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re: Josh Duggar arrested for child porn
Posted on 4/30/21 at 5:38 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 4/30/21 at 5:38 pm to OMLandshark
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Jeffrey Dahmer is an extreme statistical anomaly
Incenstuous pedophiles are an anomaly too.
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I’m saying the way Josh and his siblings were raised encouraged Josh’s disgusting behavior whether his parents know it or not.
I'm not disputing that putting someone like Josh in a house full of 18 younger kids is a bad thing. I'm disputing that it made him what he was. The fact that he is an adult who has already been through this nationally public ringer twice and he still went out and collected this type of sick stuff over the internet shows what we are dealing with - not someone who was enticed by an unorthodox household structure but someone who was born with natural perversions.
This argument comes up in the context of Catholic Priests diddling alter boys or morticians and funeral home employees who get caught humping a corpse. Well, the church is strict and won't let them marry or these guys are around dead bodies all the time so what do you expect?
No, man. I know where I stand on this chicken /egg issue. The pedophile priests went into the priesthood BECAUSE they wanted easy access to molest alter boys. The necrophiliacs went into the mortuary business BECAUSE they wanted easy access to corpses. Their disgusting and pre-existing perversions were the result of faulty neurological wiring - genetic flaws that extend to the moment the sperm hit the egg. Sure, it's a spectrum and environmental and social influences can move the needle a little bit one way or the other, but they are what they are.
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Posted on 4/30/21 at 5:42 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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It’s sick, but a teenage boy is going to explore his sexual desires one way or the other. I
Not with his sister unless it is Ilhan’s brother.
Posted on 4/30/21 at 6:01 pm to cajunangelle
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On Thursday, the U.S. Marshals Service confirmed to PEOPLE that Josh, 33, was taken into custody by Homeland Security. Two charges were brought against him: one count of receipt of child pornography and one count of possession of child pornography.
I'm not saying that I've been a major part of this investigation, but I'm also not saying that I wasn't there to take Mr. Duggar in...
AMA
Posted on 4/30/21 at 6:15 pm to RazorBroncs
You should delete and just leave AMA. In your opinion, did they find this stuff from the old law suit of the real estate or whatever it was- transaction? I wonder if Josh could have been dealing with an undercover agent on sick porn sites?
I have read that the Duggars knew this was coming, for how long? Also, in your opinion did this come from someone like his wife or sister reporting him because it seems like a Marshal overkill for just looking at kiddie porn. Was he diddling his own kids maybe, and it will only come out in a grand jury?
How long is he looking at in the big house? Any local gossip that Josh's dad is like his son?
I have read that the Duggars knew this was coming, for how long? Also, in your opinion did this come from someone like his wife or sister reporting him because it seems like a Marshal overkill for just looking at kiddie porn. Was he diddling his own kids maybe, and it will only come out in a grand jury?
How long is he looking at in the big house? Any local gossip that Josh's dad is like his son?
Posted on 4/30/21 at 6:17 pm to AUFANATL
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Incenstuous pedophiles are an anomaly too.
Not near to the same degree Jeffrey Dahmer is.
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I'm not disputing that putting someone like Josh in a house full of 18 younger kids is a bad thing. I'm disputing that it made him what he was.
Well you’re wrong. When you tell an 11 year old that he’s responsible for raising his younger sisters and the parents clean their hands from it, then it’s a recipe for disaster, especially from a family that won’t teach him basics of sexuality. If his parents had stopped at three or four kids and raised him remotely correctly, there’s a good chance this wouldn’t have happened.
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The fact that he is an adult who has already been through this nationally public ringer twice and he still went out and collected this type of sick stuff over the internet shows what we are dealing with - not someone who was enticed by an unorthodox household structure but someone who was born with natural perversions.
A lot of this shite happened well before they were famous.
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No, man. I know where I stand on this chicken /egg issue.
I do too. It’s the chicken that is primarily at fault here.
Posted on 4/30/21 at 6:22 pm to RazorBroncs
how long did the DC TDY last?
Posted on 4/30/21 at 6:36 pm to OMLandshark
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According to a 33-page police report of the incident, four of the five underage girls were his sisters.
Duggar was allegedly disciplined at home but the sexual abuse continued into the following year with multiple other incidents, some of which happened when his sisters and a babysitter were awake.
Jim Bob and Michelle, however, did not initially go to the police and kept the molestation allegations - and Josh's confessions - a secret until a tip was made to the Arkansas State Police Child Abuse Hotline about Josh's behavior and forced their hand.
Finally speaking to police on December 12, 2006, Jim Bob said when he learned about what his son was doing, he 'met with the elders of his church and told them what was going on.'
Jim Bob and Michelle told the local police that Josh had 'apologized' to his victims and said they had 'forgiven' him.
Duggar is the eldest of Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar's 19 children who all shot to fame on the reality series 19 Kids and Counting that followed the devout Baptist family from 2008 to 2015
The Duggar family in 2014. The reality show was axed in 2015 when it emerged father Jim Bob had reported son Josh Duggar to authorities for molesting young girls in 2002. Two of Duggar's sisters later said they were victims
Duggar was sent to the Institute in Basic Life Principles Training Center in Little Rock, Arkansas in 2003 for treatment.
It later emerged that the institute's founder, Bill Gothard, was accused of sexually harassing or assaulting 34 women in 2014 and resigned shortly afterward.
Duggar's sisters, Jessa and Jill Duggar, have since claimed they were two of their brother's alleged victims.
Duggar's wife Anna and family all stood by him after the sex abuse scandal emerged, with Jessa and Jill saying they had forgiven him.
YCMTSU.Posted on 4/30/21 at 6:39 pm to cajunangelle
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Duggar was sent to the Institute in Basic Life Principles Training Center in Little Rock, Arkansas in 2003 for treatment. It later emerged that the institute's founder, Bill Gothard, was accused of sexually harassing or assaulting 34 women in 2014 and resigned shortly afterward.
Posted on 4/30/21 at 6:55 pm to UndercoverBryologist
Posted on 5/1/21 at 11:08 am to lsuwontonwrap
Posted on 5/1/21 at 11:41 am to lsuwontonwrap
Wow. Reading through this thread and trying to register the hostility and innuendo and accusations on the family.
Demonizing the entire family over the one creep kid is insane. If you watched the show, you know that Josh was up in the attic by himself. There was always a weirdness with him around. Obviously they recognized that he was a risk to the family and took action, but he was still their teenage kid. You can argue that he needed to go to jail, but it seems unlikely that would have fixed the problems he was having.
You can be uncomfortable with someone having 20 kids without pretending like that's the source of all their problems. I have a bunch and still think having that many is questionable. Nevertheless, they're not the first family where an older kid has diddled the younger ones, so maybe there was something else involved than "their freakish cult" or too many kids.
I don't believe the situation you're describing about the older kids taking care of the younger ones is the root cause of what happened. Probably the more likely cause is naivete on the parents part and early exposure to porn.
The pile on of outrage at the parents having kids and being Christians is disgusting. I'm fascinated how hostile people can get about something so simple as having a large family.
Demonizing the entire family over the one creep kid is insane. If you watched the show, you know that Josh was up in the attic by himself. There was always a weirdness with him around. Obviously they recognized that he was a risk to the family and took action, but he was still their teenage kid. You can argue that he needed to go to jail, but it seems unlikely that would have fixed the problems he was having.
You can be uncomfortable with someone having 20 kids without pretending like that's the source of all their problems. I have a bunch and still think having that many is questionable. Nevertheless, they're not the first family where an older kid has diddled the younger ones, so maybe there was something else involved than "their freakish cult" or too many kids.
I don't believe the situation you're describing about the older kids taking care of the younger ones is the root cause of what happened. Probably the more likely cause is naivete on the parents part and early exposure to porn.
The pile on of outrage at the parents having kids and being Christians is disgusting. I'm fascinated how hostile people can get about something so simple as having a large family.
Posted on 5/1/21 at 11:44 am to squid_hunt
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squid_hunt
Hmm? And what about the fact that the family’s spiritual mentor, Bill Gothard, is also a creep?
Posted on 5/1/21 at 12:05 pm to UndercoverBryologist
yeah squid is being sensitive sally. the Duggar's and Willis Clan chose to be Amish like in living and religion. no doubt they are cults that shouldn't be called Christianity; as they cite the Bible and frick 3 year olds. one family had the father beating and raping his kids as young as 3; and the other the oldest son in the Duggar family has severe issues.
I was just reading about Josh's hookers and strippers & mistress
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Josh choked and spit on the hooker and called her a dirty unworthy slut
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It seems Josh is at the very least very sick in the head; and yet his mom and dad covered for him along with his wife.
I wonder if crime victim units would agree that his treatment of adult woman a long with child porn is a sign of a wide ranging mental illness?
Yet no one mentions his getting evaled, but he goes to a church ran boot camp that's odd amish like religion probably enhanced Josh.
This post was edited on 5/1/21 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 5/1/21 at 12:14 pm to squid_hunt
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Obviously they recognized that he was a risk to the family and took action, but he was still their teenage kid.
Took action? They got the cops to cover it up for them.
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You can argue that he needed to go to jail, but it seems unlikely that would have fixed the problems he was having.
Yeah, and look where we are now.
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You can be uncomfortable with someone having 20 kids without pretending like that's the source of all their problems.
No, it is: you don’t have your kids primarily raising the kids. Lord of the Flies is correct what children and civilization will inevitably end when you leave kids up to their own devices and don’t implement morals and guidelines for them, and Bible study doesn’t fricking count.
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Nevertheless, they're not the first family where an older kid has diddled the younger ones, so maybe there was something else involved than "their freakish cult" or too many kids.
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I don't believe the situation you're describing about the older kids taking care of the younger ones is the root cause of what happened. Probably the more likely cause is naivete on the parents part and early exposure to porn.
bullshite
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The pile on of outrage at the parents having kids and being Christians is disgusting. I'm fascinated how hostile people can get about something so simple as having a large family.
What if everyone lived in the manner of the Duggars? Civilization would be over pretty quickly. They are in a cult and to call them Christians I think is an insult to actual Christians. They are a family to be despised, and as has been pointed out Josh married into another cultish family that is riddled with abusers too.
Posted on 5/1/21 at 12:31 pm to O
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You mean to tell me the guy that molested his kid sisters possessed child porn, too?! I am shocked.
I thought it was his dad that diddled his sisters? Either way, the apple doesnt fall far from the tree it seems.
Posted on 5/1/21 at 12:38 pm to squid_hunt
quote:Using the disgusting, illegal conduct of one individual to attack his family and also Christianity. Just another day.
squid_hunt
Posted on 5/1/21 at 12:43 pm to OMLandshark
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And what about the fact that the family’s spiritual mentor, Bill Gothard, is also a creep?
There are lots of people that consider Bill Gothard to be a good preacher. I don't know a lot about him. I've seen the stuff taking him down. I don't get the hype from people who like him. There are people that think taking the content for its value despite the messenger is a reasonable stance. You may disagree.
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as they cite the Bible and frick 3 year olds.
Oh, cajunangelle, I understand that you're an idiot and think wearing your butt around your ears is a fashionable hairstyle, but try to keep from hyperventilating, you conspiracy spewing imbecile.
Josh Dugger is a creep and he has demonstrated that over and over. It shouldn't be a surprise to most everyone that this came about. It's terrible. I hope they throw the book at him. Claiming the whole family is molesting children is pretty stupid even for you.
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Took action? They got the cops to cover it up for them.
As I said, calling the cops may have been the legal think to do. I can't imagine most people wanting to call the cops on their kid or that your kid going to jail would help in such a situation. You can get really pissed about how they handled it, but I'd like to see how most people would act in such a situation. Making it some seedy response to try to manage an ugly situation without destroying your kid is ridiculous. But sure. You're just super sensitive to corruption, I'm sure...
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No, it is: you don’t have your kids primarily raising the kids. Lord of the Flies is correct what children and civilization will inevitably end when you leave kids up to their own devices
They don't have their kids primarily raising each other. They pick older kids to teach and help with the younger kids. You can paint it as creepy and loony if you want. In a large family, everyone helps out. I know, that's borderline child abuse and of course they'd be having sex with each other when no one's looking. Dumb.
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What if everyone lived in the manner of the Duggars? Civilization would be over pretty quickly.
Watch out. Setting your hair on fire is hazardous to your health. Pretty sure large families living together and working together built civilization. Go take your meds.
Posted on 5/1/21 at 12:46 pm to squid_hunt
Just let it go. They have found their demon who personifies everything wrong with Christianity. Surprised at some of the people I am seeing post in this thread.
Posted on 5/1/21 at 12:47 pm to Wolfhound45
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squid_hunt
Using the disgusting, illegal conduct of one individual to attack his family and also Christianity. Just another day.
Not sure if you're agreeing with me, but that was what I had an issue with, yes.
Posted on 5/1/21 at 12:48 pm to squid_hunt
I am agreeing with you. But they are not satisfied. Have to turn a personal attack into an attack on Christianity itself. Pretty common on this board.
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