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re: JonBenet documentary theory

Posted on 10/23/24 at 12:42 pm to
Posted by ChiTownBammer
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Posted on 10/23/24 at 12:42 pm to
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The autopsy stated blunt force trauma as cause of death

No it didn't. It was strangulation. There was blunt force trauma to her head but it isn't thought to be the cause of death. You somehow concocted a whole theory based on incorrect facts. You would make a terrible investigator, or actually maybe a good one for Boulder PD.

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Tragically, she was later found dead in that house, and an autopsy revealed the cause of her death as strangulation.
This post was edited on 10/23/24 at 12:44 pm
Posted by TigerBaitOohHaHa
Member since Jan 2023
1770 posts
Posted on 10/23/24 at 12:53 pm to
that's where the people who insist on the intruder theory get it wrong. They assume that a 9 year old would never kill someone (while that is also false). Nobody is implying intent. Just that he was aggressive and hit her with a metal freaking flashlight.
Posted by TigerBaitOohHaHa
Member since Jan 2023
1770 posts
Posted on 10/23/24 at 12:55 pm to
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The autopsy stated blunt force trauma as cause of death

No it didn't. It was strangulation. There was blunt force trauma to her head but it isn't thought to be the cause of death. You somehow concocted a whole theory based on incorrect facts. You would make a terrible investigator, or actually maybe a good one for Boulder PD.


You are correct, I had forgotten that piece but you reminded me of it. The investigator stated the trauma DID happen first and that the "stager" didn't know she was still alive.
Posted by ChestRockwell
In the heart of horse country
Member since Jul 2021
6973 posts
Posted on 10/23/24 at 1:46 pm to
Seems plausible. Nevertheless, the killer resided in the house. One curious clue was she was found with her favorite Barbie nightgown or PJs. Who , but anyone inside that house would know that? The entire case and crime scene were botched from the start.
Posted by ChiTownBammer
South Florida
Member since Aug 2014
1416 posts
Posted on 10/23/24 at 1:56 pm to
So whoever did it had at least an understanding of the concept of a garrote. In my opinion that would exclude the brother. Unless we're proposing the possibility that the brother bashed her head in, then the parents found her still alive then finished her off with a garrote. Then managed to maintain their poorly thought-out stories through probably dozens of hours of police interrogation and lie detector tests for years and years and, in Patty's case, take it to her grave. I'm not protecting the parents, and I'm willing to believe they had at least something to do with it, but it wasn't like there were piles of evidence against them. For what it's worth, even though I'm pretty sure it's considered junk science now, Patty's handwriting wasn't a match for the ransom note that was left. There really wasn't anything there you could hang on them, even though I think everyone involved wanted them charged.
Posted by ElderTiger
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 10/23/24 at 1:58 pm to
My belief has always been the mother did it, for what reason, who knows.
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:08 pm to
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One curious clue was she was found with her favorite Barbie nightgown or PJs. Who , but anyone inside that house would know that?


I'm not sure of your point about the gown/pjs. Her father and his friend "found" her in the basement when they decided to go look elsewhere in the house. I don't think it was a secret that she was in her favorite night clothes.

ETA: I think a detective asked John to go look around the house to see if he noticed anything. Would seem to me the detective should have gone with him.

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The entire case and crime scene were botched from the start.


Didn't Daddy pick her up and bring her upstairs when he "found" her? I can't recall if he removed the garotte before doing so.
This post was edited on 10/23/24 at 2:36 pm
Posted by whoa
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
5797 posts
Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:34 pm to
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Patty's handwriting wasn't a match for the ransom note that was left

The Bonita Papers that were posted in that Reddit link said linguistic experts had no doubt that letter came from Patsy.
Posted by ChiTownBammer
South Florida
Member since Aug 2014
1416 posts
Posted on 10/23/24 at 3:22 pm to
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The Bonita Papers that were posted in that Reddit link said linguistic experts had no doubt that letter came from Patsy.

Yeah I think it did show some similarities but it wasn't definitive. The bottom line is that handwriting analysis is considered pseudoscience at this point, though and isn't given much credence. My original point remains; the authorities didn't have prosecutable evidence to try the parents.
This post was edited on 10/23/24 at 3:24 pm
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86410 posts
Posted on 10/23/24 at 3:30 pm to
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TutHillTiger
Have you ever been institutionalized?
Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
72264 posts
Posted on 10/23/24 at 4:27 pm to
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. For what it's worth, even though I'm pretty sure it's considered junk science now, Patty's handwriting wasn't a match for the ransom note that was left. There really wasn't anything there you could hang on them, even though I think everyone involved wanted them charged.


I'm not here to debate this, but I always read or heard they believed it matched her writing. I still maintain it sounds like a woman wrote it, but that is only an opinion based off my gut and that means nothing.

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The bottom line is that handwriting analysis is considered pseudoscience at this point, though and isn't given much credence.


I get that.

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the authorities didn't have prosecutable evidence to try the parents.


I also understand that.

It's such a bizarre case.
This post was edited on 10/23/24 at 4:30 pm
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
18849 posts
Posted on 10/23/24 at 4:33 pm to
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nyway she started having dreams about a little blonde pageant girl killed by a man in a Santa clause suit repeatedly before the murder happened and then saw the little girl on TV. It was Jon Benet. I thought maybe the Santa clause was some type of analogy or something but then heard they found red fibers from Santa clause suit on her body it was clear she saw the murder.


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TutHillTiger


It doesn't in the least bit surprise me you believe this.
Posted by OldmanBeasley
Charlotte
Member since Jun 2014
10946 posts
Posted on 10/23/24 at 4:42 pm to
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Sorry guys but it is was a guy in a Santa Claus suit. We had a friend that was whatever u want to call it sensitive etc. She was from NE and used to help police find missing children, bodies etc was part of CIA project etc. (Really really hated government btw) she was real deal, didn’t do it for money etc but would help people.

This the same source that told you about that battle in Antarctica where we fought aliens in WW2?
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
17491 posts
Posted on 10/23/24 at 4:51 pm to
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Why would some intruder with a ransom note just kill her and leave her in the basement? And only her? It just doesn't make sense. It feels like a cover up to me.


Quite possibly the dumbest cover up in history. Someone in her family killed her.

It’s that simple. Let’s let this shite die now.

Society has wasted a lot of time on this.
Posted by STLhog
Dallas, TX
Member since Jan 2015
18828 posts
Posted on 10/23/24 at 4:59 pm to
we want justice!
Posted by Gris Gris
OTIS!NO RULES FOR SAUCES ON STEAK!!
Member since Feb 2008
49636 posts
Posted on 11/21/24 at 1:56 pm to
This article says that John Ramsey is urging the police to test DNA on items that were not tested at the time or were not tested using updated procedures. He says if they are tested, the case will be solved.

Not sure about that, but why won't they just go ahead and test the items?

Excerpts below.

People Article

" The long-awaited answer to the mystery surrounding JonBenét Ramsey’s 1996 murder could already be in the hands of the police, says her father.

Police in Boulder, Colo., just won’t give the OK to proceed with DNA testing of potentially bombshell evidence—genetic material left on the handmade garrote used to strangle his 6-year-old daughter and other items found at the crime scene, John Ramsey tells PEOPLE in an exclusive interview.

“We're begging the police to engage,” says Ramsey, 80. “There are cutting-edge DNA labs that want to help and who believe they can move the case forward.”

But in Boulder, he says, “The chief of police is in charge. Nobody can come in and help him with solving a crime unless he asks for help.”

“We're not asking them to do anything weird,” says John. “Just do your job. Test the DNA.”

Ramsey opens up to PEOPLE in an exclusive interview ahead of the upcoming Netflix docuseries Cold Case: Who Killed JonBenét Ramsey?, streaming Monday, Nov. 25.

The three-part series reexamines one of the most high-profile, sensational murder cases of all time. It unfolded after John found his young beauty pageant queen daughter dead in a rarely-used basement room in an upscale Boulder, Colo., neighborhood on the morning of Dec. 26, 1996."

" The three-part docuseries goes in-depth into what John Ramsey considers to be missteps made by authorities when investigating JonBenét’s murder within an international media circus that only complicated matters.

John says he would like cutting-edge labs that use genetic genealogy and other advanced DNA technology to crack the cold case by examining seven items from the crime scene that he says have never been tested or were examined with outdated methods."

“Of the items sent to labs in the beginning, six or seven of them were returned untested,” he says. “We don't know why they were not tested, but they were not tested. The garrote used to strangle JonBenét and a number of items just were sent back.”

The evidence also includes the dramatic ransom note and a suitcase found under an open basement window where some believe the killer entered and exited the home. "

“But to do the latest stuff, this whole genealogy research, they needed a different format of the sample. And that's why we've been advocating more testing be done by one or two of these very cutting edge labs, to retrieve a sample in the right format, which they can use to do genealogy research and searching, basically.”

“If it stays in the hands of the Boulder Police, it will not be solved, period,” he tells PEOPLE. “If they accept help, all the help that's out there, that's available and offered, it will be solved. Yes, I believe it will be solved.”
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
17491 posts
Posted on 11/21/24 at 2:07 pm to
quote:

his article says that John Ramsey is urging the police to test DNA on items that were not tested at the time or were not tested using updated procedures. He says if they are tested, the case will be solved.

Not sure about that, but why won't they just go ahead and test the items?

Excerpts below.


Burke killed Jon Benet with Patsy's vibrator, with a hit to the back of the head.

I know it doesn't sound plausible just remember D batteries are very heavy and can-do significant damage.
Posted by Gris Gris
OTIS!NO RULES FOR SAUCES ON STEAK!!
Member since Feb 2008
49636 posts
Posted on 11/21/24 at 3:38 pm to
Whoever did it, it ended up being the perfect crime with help from investigators and police.
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