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re: Joel Osteen Inspirational Cube! Do you want to be inspired?!
Posted on 12/29/20 at 11:16 am to Loup
Posted on 12/29/20 at 11:16 am to Loup
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They aren't currently excluded from the government. They receive a lot of subsidies and government funds that are collected from tax payers and businesses. Not sure what point you're trying to make.
I see you edited out the part where you called me “dull”. Here, let me help you out kid. Read and educate yourself on federal dollars and churches....
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The United States Supreme Court has said that faith-based organizations may not use direct government support to support "inherently religious" activities. Basically, it means you cannot use any part of a direct Federal grant to fund religious worship, instruction, or proselytization. Instead, organizations may use government money only to support the non-religious social services that they provide. Therefore, faith-based organizations that receive direct governmental funds should take steps to separate, in time or location, their inherently religious activities from the government-funded services that they offer.
Such organizations should also carefully account for their use of all government money. This does not mean your organization can't have religious activities. It simply means you can't use taxpayer dollars to fund them.
hhs.gov
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Posted on 12/29/20 at 11:19 am to Darth_Vader
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I see you edited out the part where you called me “dull”.
I should have left it in.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 11:19 am to Darth_Vader
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Either you believe in separation of church and state or you don’t. Which is it?
The same question should be applied to churches.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 11:23 am to Scruffy
So Joel is really a Cenobite?
This actually makes a lot of sense.
This actually makes a lot of sense.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 11:23 am to Vote4MikeAck504
quote:That one purposefully depresses you.
JBE Cube
Posted on 12/29/20 at 11:27 am to Scruffy
The ridiculous part is that basically all of their 'sermons' and messages are just recycled and rehashed over and over. It's the same shite every time. He's actually a genius for getting away with it lol
Posted on 12/29/20 at 11:31 am to Scruffy
Nope, this bitch ain't in it for the money, not at all...
Posted on 12/29/20 at 11:31 am to Vote4MikeAck504
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I have no problem not taxing churches... UNLESS they engage in politics. If you are using your church to actively promote a political agenda, using it as a campaign tool for a certain candidate or candidates, you get taxed like any other business. You lose your tax exempt status. Separation of Church and State should apply to churches as it does to government. If you're a church and you comingle the two, you get taxed. Period.
Now there we can agree. Churches are forbidden from this via the Johnson Amendment. So you can’t keep them from preaching politics if you on the other hand make them pay taxes.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 11:37 am to Loup
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I see you edited out the part where you called me “dull”.
I should have left it in.
You really are stupid aren’t you? I thought you’d be able to figure it out on your own. My mistake for overestimating your mental acuity. Let me spell it out to you.
The Johnson amendment forbids 501C3 organizations from endorsing or opposing any political candidate. If 501C3’s are taxed then the Johnson amendment is dead because you can’t tax a group without giving that group political representation. Furthermore, you can’t single out churches alone for taxation due to the equal protection clause. If churches are taxed then all charitable 501C3 organizations will have to be taxed as well.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 11:37 am to Scruffy
It’s amazing how much great Christian content is free. It might even signify that such content is Christian.
People like John Piper donate 100% of their book proceeds to local churches and missionary organizations.
Reformed Theological Seminary lectures are all totally free via the app.
And as far as the content goes, we’ll that’s a joke. I’ll stick to the Book of Common Prayer for my spiritual needs.
People like John Piper donate 100% of their book proceeds to local churches and missionary organizations.
Reformed Theological Seminary lectures are all totally free via the app.
And as far as the content goes, we’ll that’s a joke. I’ll stick to the Book of Common Prayer for my spiritual needs.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 11:41 am to Darth_Vader
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If you believe churches should be taxed then you can’t exclude them from from the government.
What do you mean when you say "exclude them from government"? They're overly involved as it is without being taxed.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 11:42 am to Scruffy
Inspirational words from JOEL to start your day, not scripture, but Joel.
Joel Olsteen (Inspiring Spiritual Leader)
Yeah, it’s spiritual alright. There’s lot’s of spiritual people, but not all of them represent the spirit of God. People need to be really careful with this guy, and others like him. There are a LOT of false teachers in the world today. Reading scripture in it’s entirety and prayer is the only way to safeguard yourself from charletains, not just the scripture cherry picked or taken out of context and made into a different theology from that which the Gospels preach.
Whenever I see these packed mega churches with people hanging on every word that comes out of these people’s mouths I am reminded of the words “ For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.”. If it’s that popular with the world, you should ask yourself why the world that rejects Jesus is so in favor of it.
Joel Olsteen (Inspiring Spiritual Leader)
Yeah, it’s spiritual alright. There’s lot’s of spiritual people, but not all of them represent the spirit of God. People need to be really careful with this guy, and others like him. There are a LOT of false teachers in the world today. Reading scripture in it’s entirety and prayer is the only way to safeguard yourself from charletains, not just the scripture cherry picked or taken out of context and made into a different theology from that which the Gospels preach.
Whenever I see these packed mega churches with people hanging on every word that comes out of these people’s mouths I am reminded of the words “ For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.”. If it’s that popular with the world, you should ask yourself why the world that rejects Jesus is so in favor of it.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 11:43 am to sabes que
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however I would bet that he probably does donate a ton of money from the church to charities
You know who else donates money? Pretty much everyone.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 11:48 am to Darth_Vader
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If 501C3’s are taxed then the Johnson amendment is dead because you can’t tax a group without giving that group political representation.
What? Every one of those church going members are represented politically...they are US citizens and as such they vote in state and local elections.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 11:48 am to Vote4MikeAck504
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Robert Tilton was the best!
I’ll respond as Bob would: “Anungala bamba na.”
This post was edited on 12/29/20 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 12/29/20 at 12:20 pm to Scruffy
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This post was edited on 3/6/21 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 12/29/20 at 12:29 pm to Chucktown_Badger
quote:True, but doesn’t he not take any money that is donated to the actual church? I think he just cashes in on books and stuff like this thread is about. Basically I’m saying you’re right, but I think he donates more than most other people of his income level do.
You know who else donates money? Pretty much everyone
Posted on 12/29/20 at 12:32 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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What? Every one of those church going members are represented politically...they are US citizens and as such they vote in state and local elections.
Bless your poor heart. Let me help you out. In addition to individuals having political rights and a voice in this county so do organizations like corporations. Corporations are free to endorse or oppose any politicians they want, up to and including political contributions. If churches are taxed like other organizations then they also have to be granted the same political rights as other organizations. It’s called equal protection under the law.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 12:43 pm to Scruffy
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That commercial is glorious.
If you swapped Osteen with L. Ron Hubbard you wouldn't have to change much else in the commercial. Gave me a Scientology vibe.
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