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re: JBE Wants to Release 1200 Prisoners Early Due to CV

Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:50 am to
Posted by The Melt
Metairie
Member since Apr 2018
984 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:50 am to
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If you've somehow confused a "criminal defense attorney" to the point of believing they are an Assistant District Attorney, or prosecutor, I'm not not even sure if you're from this country, much less involved in the criminal justice system

I kid


Whoops, IDB. You know what I meant.

And it's been a few years. The endless rodeo wears on you.
This post was edited on 4/15/20 at 9:52 am
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
30045 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:57 am to
I hear ya. I've been at it about a decade.

Anyway, we aren't going to convince one another. But, I will say this as someone who has spent more time in the last ten years alone in a room with "murderers" than the average person spends with their dentist in a lifetime: it's my opinion that a vanishingly small percentage of people who have committed murder are incorrigible. Now, reasonable people can disagree concerning whether they should ever be free again, but if you want to argue that they are incapable of rehabilitation, I believe you are going to be wrong the overwhelming majority of the time.

And those are people who have killed people.
This post was edited on 4/15/20 at 10:02 am
Posted by tigersfirst
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2013
1064 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:59 am to
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Bernie Maddow


Is that Rachel Maddow's dog that she named after Bernie Sanders or are you a fricking moron?
Posted by Megasaurus
Member since Dec 2017
1004 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:06 am to
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Very few are non-violent. The instant offense for which they are currently jailed may be or seem non-violent, but you need not dig far in their history to find the violence.


this right here.

a "non-violent" prisoner does not mean they are not violent, its a classification based on the charge for which they were convicted and serving a prison sentence...its not always straight forward either.. That being said, prison is not community college, its a very fricking dangerous place where the culture changes people, not for the better. Prison is gladiator school, not many people go in as non-violent people and come out as non violent people, just dont happen
Posted by oleheat
Sportsman's Paradise
Member since Mar 2007
14190 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:09 am to
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I'm a criminal defense attorney.



Shocker.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
30045 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:14 am to
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Shocker.


Oh look, it's the criminal justice system equivalent of the anti-vax stay at home mom who says we should ignore the opinion of doctors because they are "biased". Delightful.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
87847 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:16 am to
LA released 4k yesterday

Yeah more homeless!
Posted by oleheat
Sportsman's Paradise
Member since Mar 2007
14190 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:21 am to
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Oh look, it's the criminal justice system equivalent of the anti-vax stay at home mom who says we should ignore the opinion of doctors because they are "biased". Delightful.


No- none of the above. It's just we all see you proselytizing the joys of early release. How many of them are you planning on taking into your home to guarantee they tow the line? Clearly most of them are good, trustworthy people- framed by The Man- who only need a helping hand. Just like in the movies.
This post was edited on 4/15/20 at 10:21 am
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
30045 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:25 am to
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No- none of the above.


Sure, sweetheart <3

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It's just we all see you proselytizing the joys of early release.


No, I'm not. I'm saying it makes sense from a systemic and logical perspective.

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How many of them are you planning on taking into your home to guarantee they tow the line? Clearly most of them are good, trustworthy people- framed by The Man- who only need a helping hand. Just like in the movies.


None. Then again, I wouldn't let you stay at my home. This is one of the silliest fricking red herrings I see on this board, which is saying quite a bit
Posted by tigersfirst
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2013
1064 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:30 am to
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Because you can count on people that have been locked up for a while to strictly adhere to stay at home and social distancing upon early release.



Maybe that is why they are making them wear a GPS ankle monitor and remain under house arrest?

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If released, the prisoners would need to stay home, with an ankle monitor, and submit to supervision, Leblanc said. 
Posted by Boogalie
Mandeville, LA
Member since Oct 2016
251 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:31 am to
Am sure all of jury's and criminal trial process was wrong.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
30045 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:36 am to
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Am sure all of jury's and criminal trial process was wrong.


Juries aren't involved in sentencing. Further, less than 5% of of individuals arrested in Louisiana ever make it to trial.

Our system is one of judges and prosecutors, not juries.
Posted by oleheat
Sportsman's Paradise
Member since Mar 2007
14190 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:42 am to
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None.


Why not? They have to stay someplace. Let them earn your trust outside the courtroom!


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Then again, I wouldn't let you stay at my home.




See? In nearly every situation, common ground can be found.
Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
21804 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:43 am to
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If they are non-violent and in there for some bullshite drug charge, I don't see an issue. But gang members/leaders, violent offenders or repeat offenders don't need to be released.

ETA - haven't there already been at least 2 dudes who were released and killed someone not long after their release? One being in New Orleans, IIRC.







There in prison for a reason, frick them let them rot in prison do not let them out.
Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
21804 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:45 am to
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they are non-violent and in there for some bullshite drug charge, I don't see an issue. But gang members/leaders, violent offenders or repeat offenders don't need to be released
Very few are non-violent. The instant offense for which they are currently jailed may be or seem non-violent, but you need not dig far in their history to find the violence.




Exactly correct just because they are in for a non violent offense you can bet your arse they have a past criminal rap sheet that has some violent offenses.

Fuk them let them rot in jail
Posted by The Melt
Metairie
Member since Apr 2018
984 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:59 am to
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Our system is one of judges and prosecutors, not juries.

Yes but don't leave out the criminal defense attorneys push the plea deals in order to NOT go to trial.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
30045 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 11:24 am to
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Yes but don't leave out the criminal defense attorneys push the plea deals in order to NOT go to trial.



We push plea deals due to draconian sentencing laws, judges who start at the top of the sentencing range and have to be pulled down, jury pools that will lie to your face and tell you that they will hold the prosecution to their burden, that they won't hold it against your client if they don't testify, that they won't give any extra weight to the testimony of law enforcement versus another witness, that your client is anything but guilty until proven innocent. And up until very recently, even if two of your jurors believed your client to be innocent, the other ten could vote to convict without so much as having a discussion.

Ever had a conversation with a human being in which you tell them that you believe they are factually innocent, but that here is the testimony that will be given against them, and based on your experience with East Baton Rouge jurors, you believe the client is likely to lose the "he said she said", and based on your knowledge of the law and your experience with the particular judge, you believe that their sentence will be X if they are convicted, but that the prosecutor is offering Y plea with Z sentence, and that while I will fight for them tooth and nail at trial, this is their life, and they have to make the call that is best for them.

Because I have. Many times.
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
14053 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 11:25 am to
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No you stupid frick, not jailing people who are not a danger to society is a conservative approach,


frick,em

I got no need for dumb fricks that can't or more accurately WONT follow the rules and laws because (oh, I think the law is stupid so I'm not going to follow it and then whine and bitch when I get arrested for it)

Again frick'em
Posted by The People
LSU Alumni
Member since Aug 2008
4360 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 11:36 am to
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based on your knowledge of the law and your experience with the particular judge


Tell us some stories of practicing law in Trudy White's court room when she was a criminal judge.

You've come this far, might as well.

I will hang up and listen.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
30045 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 11:37 am to
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frick,em

I got no need for dumb fricks that can't or more accurately WONT follow the rules and laws because (oh, I think the law is stupid so I'm not going to follow it and then whine and bitch when I get arrested for it)

Again frick'em


Do you know how much we spend on incarceration as a state each year?
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