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Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:30 am to Tigeralum2008
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personally feel it is time we adopt a new Louisiana Constitution
Will never happen. The way it is removes personal responsibility for the representatives.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:34 am to sportsaddit68
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Damn. I do not normally run into two STA grads on here. I'm 2002. What year are you guys?
2012 here
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:35 am to Freauxzen
Like thousands of parents in Louisiana, I have factored in TOPS along with college savings plans.It's been part of the decision-logic, like social security.You know it exists, but you never expect it to actually be there when you eventually need it. In the back of my mind, I always assumed it would collapse prior to my children accessing it, so I'm not surprised. My HS junior already has the proposed prerequisite of 28. My 15 year old faces an uphill climb, to say the least lol, so I will really start contributing to his 529. My seventh grader will probably end up with a 30 or better if I'm guessing. However the State of Louisiana fricks this up, my kids will be just fine. All these programs are unsustainable in the end, seeing how basic math is not taught at the legislative level.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:40 am to Lsupimp
Us too pimp. Our oldest is in grad school, our second has a 29 and accepted a scholly to ULL (for now anyway) and the third is a freshman 4.0 student (taking ACT in June just to gauge where she is).
Guess we'll be hitting the 529 as well.
Guess we'll be hitting the 529 as well.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:46 am to King George
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Does this hypothetical child go to school? If so then he/she has the opportunity to score a 26 on the ACT.
Of course they have the same opportunity because a $10k/year private school and a public school in an impoverished neighborhood are equal
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But it's not the responsibility of our government to make it easier for this child
Nobody said it had to be easier but keeping the poor people poor doesn't help anyone.
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And if the parents aren't present and active in this child's education that's unfortunate but something the tax payer shouldn't be burdened with.
This is just silly, it's not the kids fault. We should do everything in our power to educate our kids to the best of our abilities.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:48 am to magildachunks
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When TOPS got cut completely, the people who cried the most were white, middle-class republicans. "Oh ! How will I send my kids to college?"
I would guess its because its one of the few if only their tax dollars are going toward that they could actually benefit from and be eligible for. They were finally getting some of their tax contributions back. Instead of getting nothing and feeding lazy fricks who laid around and bred all day.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:51 am to foj1981
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Going to cut TOPS by 62%. Minimum ACT 26
Don't qualify for tops get a loan, think of it as an investment for your future.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:53 am to Barf
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We should do everything in our power to educate our kids to the best of our abilities.
Lat time I checked it was beyond our power to print money. Otherwise, I agree. And being a person who cuts personal checks to public schools and volunteers at the middle school and high school level, I have skin in this game.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 11:00 am to Freauxzen
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It was then routinely destroyed over time because of Louisiana's corruptive politics and yes - is now given to kids who don't really deserve it and don't really add anything to the state workforce. It's completely ineffective for what its intended goal was.
What is your take on kids who don't necessarily need TOPS?
My little sister has TOPS but our parents are well off and even if she decides to be an art major debut is something she will never have to worry about.
Should the state be paying for her education when she can afford to pay for it on her own?
It's a tricky subject. I say she should be paying and let her TOPS fund someone with a less than beneficial situation. It's such a tiny amount of money to her that she would never even notice.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 11:01 am to tiger91
Man this thread is nuts.
Current LSU student chiming in. I was lucky enough that I had TOPS my first 4 years. Switched my major 5th semester. If I hadn't had TOPS I would still be ok. Because Ive worked full time my whole way through school. I don't understand why that's such a taboo subject for people. If your kid wants to go to college and is capable then as a parent your going to want to help. If your like me and your parents can't help then grit your teeth and get a job.
Ill graduate with 0 debt and degree that starts in the 45-60k range.
The only difference TOPS made is when my car shite out on me I was able to buy a new one for cash instead of having to take the bus to campus and work.
Current LSU student chiming in. I was lucky enough that I had TOPS my first 4 years. Switched my major 5th semester. If I hadn't had TOPS I would still be ok. Because Ive worked full time my whole way through school. I don't understand why that's such a taboo subject for people. If your kid wants to go to college and is capable then as a parent your going to want to help. If your like me and your parents can't help then grit your teeth and get a job.
Ill graduate with 0 debt and degree that starts in the 45-60k range.
The only difference TOPS made is when my car shite out on me I was able to buy a new one for cash instead of having to take the bus to campus and work.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 11:02 am to foj1981
Tops should be for junior and senior year only- How many kids you think go only one or two years?
Posted on 4/13/16 at 11:05 am to Barf
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What is your take on kids who don't necessarily need TOPS?
My little sister has TOPS but our parents are well off and even if she decides to be an art major debut is something she will never have to worry about.
OK
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Should the state be paying for her education when she can afford to pay for it on her own?
frick NO! That is what is wrong with government today. The government will bend over backwards to take care of those who buy what they want and beg for what they NEED.
No offense but your family is no different from those people who pull up in a brand new car buying crawfish with a louisiana purchase card.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 11:09 am to Lsupimp
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Lat time I checked it was beyond our power to print money. Otherwise, I agree. And being a person who cuts personal checks to public schools and volunteers at the middle school and high school level, I have skin in this game.
Logic tells me that kids that go to public school don't have the same access to education as the kids who go to Private schools. Private school exist for a reason, they are better. If kids across the board had the same opportunity then places like Episcopal wouldn't exist. Why would they?
The big question is, what's the answer? Kids who are bright but go to public school run the risk of getting caught up in the trap that is public schooling in Louisiana. Where as a kid who's not so bright but goes to a high end private school has better access to programs to guide him or her into a position to make better grades. Tutors aren't free. Private schools sometimes have them where as a public school may not have the funds.
Work ethic is a real thing and plays a huge role in a persons success but that kid at McKinley who works his arse off to get A's may not have the ability or the funds to attend an ACT prep course. He may not even have the ability to pay for the test itself or the transportation to get to the testing center on time. These are real problems.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 11:09 am to baseballmind1212
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Man this thread is nuts. Current LSU student chiming in. I was lucky enough that I had TOPS my first 4 years. Switched my major 5th semester. If I hadn't had TOPS I would still be ok. Because Ive worked full time my whole way through school. I don't understand why that's such a taboo subject for people. If your kid wants to go to college and is capable then as a parent your going to want to help. If your like me and your parents can't help then grit your teeth and get a job. Ill graduate with 0 debt and degree that starts in the 45-60k range. The only difference TOPS made is when my car shite out on me I was able to buy a new one for cash instead of having to take the bus to campus and work.
This is impossible according to this board.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 11:12 am to Barf
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What is your take on kids who don't necessarily need TOPS?
My little sister has TOPS but our parents are well off and even if she decides to be an art major debut is something she will never have to worry about.
Should the state be paying for her education when she can afford to pay for it on her own?
If she can earn it academically, honestly, she should get it. It's an academic scholarship, or was intended to be, therefore it should be awarded on academic merits alone.
But I wouldn't be opposed to some kind of income cap. But given college tuition, it should be HIGH.
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It's a tricky subject. I say she should be paying and let her TOPS fund someone with a less than beneficial situation. It's such a tiny amount of money to her that she would never even notice.
No it isn't. We have Pell Grants, SMART, FSEOG, etc. There are tons of alternatives for low-income families. TOPS was not meant to be one.
TOPS was intended to be a state initiative to keep the brain drain from accelerating, and to me, that was a great goal to shoot for. Louisiana needed that. And I liked the drive, but they screwed it up.
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Posted on 4/13/16 at 11:13 am to Langston
That's my point. Idk if it's because people want there kids to have the college experience they had or what,But that's over. I pay almost 6k a semester, work full time during school, and 60-70 a week during breaks. But I'll de damned if I'm going to be paying student loans for the rest of my life
Posted on 4/13/16 at 11:13 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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No offense but your family is no different from those people who pull up in a brand new car buying crawfish with a louisiana purchase card.
I don't disagree.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 11:15 am to Barf
So is this most likely going to pass? I'm a college student who had a 23. If I lose my TOPS, I'll probably go the military route.
This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 11:16 am
Posted on 4/13/16 at 11:16 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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No offense but your family is no different from those people who pull up in a brand new car buying crawfish with a louisiana purchase card.
Wow, what a sad existence you must live. If a student meets the requirements for TOPS, they should be able to receive the money. End of story. There should be no exceptions for race, family income, etc. That's fair.
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