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re: January 1, 2025: Multiple casualties on Bourbon Street after terrorist attack..
Posted on 1/8/25 at 8:25 am to N2cars
Posted on 1/8/25 at 8:25 am to N2cars
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As an aside, has anyone seen Muslim/Islam leaders renouncing his actions?
There are multiple Muslim / Islamic leaders renouncing the attack....all you gotta do is google "muslim leader renounces New Orleans Attack" and you will find many links to various groups and individuals renouncing the attack. They may or may not be given much if any time on Fox News or whatever passes for the MSM today but there are plenty of them, the same as there are always plenty of them.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 8:31 am to AwgustaDawg
Yeah, I did that...
I didn't see much beyond some local mosques making some comments.
I guess I was expecting a more consistent response from whatever passes for Nation of Islam centralized leadership.
I didn't see much beyond some local mosques making some comments.
I guess I was expecting a more consistent response from whatever passes for Nation of Islam centralized leadership.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 8:49 am to N2cars
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Yeah, I did that...
I didn't see much beyond some local mosques making some comments.
I guess I was expecting a more consistent response from whatever passes for Nation of Islam centralized leadership.
I don't know that anyone from the Nation of Islam will say much if anything about an ISIS Attack. The Nation Of Islam consists of followers of the teachings of Elijah Muhammad and is a black nationalist group who most likely likes the idea of what this moron did in New Orleans but would not come out in support of or against the attack as the NOI is mainly a money grifting organization which keeps a small number of politically active "leaders" living the life of riley. They are as much Muslim as Jehovah Witnesses are protestants. The Nation of Islam is not now nor has it ever been an actual muslim organization, it was founded by antisemites and anti-white "preachers" and is loosely of at all related to Islam.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 9:27 am to N2cars
quote:I saw a mosque in Philadelphia denounced the attack and the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).
I didn't see much beyond some local mosques making some comments.
But not much else. The imam from Philly made sure to say "We cannot look at events that an individual chooses to do as being inspired or sanctioned by any religious beliefs.”
Philadelphia abc 6
Posted on 1/8/25 at 9:59 am to GreenRockTiger
Their statements mean NOTHING. The entire philosophy of Islam is that they are to do whatever is necessary to establish a global caliphate... including lies and deceit.
Even statements denouncing the attack are bullshite. You can't believe anything a Muslim says.
Even statements denouncing the attack are bullshite. You can't believe anything a Muslim says.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 10:06 am to TDsngumbo
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I’d submit a tip but if we noticed it, others did and surely someone’s reported it by now.
That's probably what everyone thinks.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 10:16 am to terd ferguson
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Their statements mean NOTHING. The entire philosophy of Islam is that they are to do whatever is necessary to establish a global caliphate... including lies and deceit.
Even statements denouncing the attack are bullshite. You can't believe anything a Muslim says.
This is the problem. Every time one of these morons do something like this people start in with the "where are the good Muslims who are denouncing this". All you have to do is look, you will find plenty of Muslims denouncing it...what no one can say for certain is how many of them are being honest?
Think about it - if you were living in a society where the majority of people already suspected you of being a moron and someone who shares characteristics with you does something incredible stupid wouldn't you claim you were opposed to them having done it even though you were secretly planning to do it yourself? You may really be opposed, you may be fully supportive, you may not give a frick.....but the one thing that is ceratin is that if you come out and denounce it many people are not going to trust you. If you do not come out and denounce it many people are not going to trust you. You are kind of damned if you do damned if you don't.
Finally it is not the responsibility of individuals to apologize for or denounce the actions of others. Most serial killers are white men. I am a white man. I have never once apologized for a serial killing. I have never publicly denounced serial killers or serial killing. In all honesty I do not know that I have ever done so privately...I just kind of assumed it was taken for granted that, despite my sharing some characteristics with the majority of serial killers that I am opposed to the idea of serial killing just like almost everyone else on the planet. Were one to make a big deal out of denouncing serial killers and serial killing I would posit they may arouse suspicion of themselves.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 10:16 am to terd ferguson
Some political movements and extremist groups advocate for the revival of a caliphate as part of their agenda, often using the concept as a rallying point for political goals. These interpretations are generally rejected by mainstream Muslims, who view such efforts as a distortion of Islamic teachings and contrary to the religion’s emphasis on peace and justice.
That sounds great and eloquently insinuates that not all Muslims are in agreement that there must be a global caliphate while ridiculing the extremists of their side. However, they all fall in line at some point.
It's similar to Christianity in a way if you think about it. Christians have extremists within their side as well and though I'm quick to point out that anyone who believes a woman that gets pregnant via IVF has sinned since she did so in an "unnatural" way is ridiculous but at the end of the day, those same extreme Christians will be on the same side of the line drawn in the sand as those who think that's ridiculous if it comes down to a fight between Christianity and Islam. Islamists will always have extremists and "peaceful" Islamists will always point out their faults but at the end of the day, they're all on the same side - which is against Christians. Muslims will always be ok with a global caliphate if that ever were to happen. You'd never see Muslims come to the help of Christians and be like, "whoa, hold up this isn't right". They'd instead celebrate. Why? Because it's their end goal. Don't believe any of the bullshite that the "moderate" ones spew after an Islamic terror attack. For once, I'd like for a reporter who's interviewing one of these moderate Muslims to follow up with, "so if Islam were to ever achieve a global caliphate, would you celebrate?". Their real answer would always be "yes".
This is the way it's always been and the way it always will be.
That sounds great and eloquently insinuates that not all Muslims are in agreement that there must be a global caliphate while ridiculing the extremists of their side. However, they all fall in line at some point.
It's similar to Christianity in a way if you think about it. Christians have extremists within their side as well and though I'm quick to point out that anyone who believes a woman that gets pregnant via IVF has sinned since she did so in an "unnatural" way is ridiculous but at the end of the day, those same extreme Christians will be on the same side of the line drawn in the sand as those who think that's ridiculous if it comes down to a fight between Christianity and Islam. Islamists will always have extremists and "peaceful" Islamists will always point out their faults but at the end of the day, they're all on the same side - which is against Christians. Muslims will always be ok with a global caliphate if that ever were to happen. You'd never see Muslims come to the help of Christians and be like, "whoa, hold up this isn't right". They'd instead celebrate. Why? Because it's their end goal. Don't believe any of the bullshite that the "moderate" ones spew after an Islamic terror attack. For once, I'd like for a reporter who's interviewing one of these moderate Muslims to follow up with, "so if Islam were to ever achieve a global caliphate, would you celebrate?". Their real answer would always be "yes".
This is the way it's always been and the way it always will be.
This post was edited on 1/8/25 at 10:21 am
Posted on 1/8/25 at 10:24 am to OysterPoBoy
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That's probably what everyone thinks
Yea well I've posted it here so they know about it now anyway
Posted on 1/8/25 at 10:33 am to terd ferguson
quote:be it that one can only find at most 3 statements from Muslim communities, I think that is obvious
Their statements mean NOTHING.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 11:09 am to AwgustaDawg
Ok, so i know now I can disregard anything you say.
Thanks for the heads-up.
Thanks for the heads-up.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 12:51 pm to wm72
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Maybe they're more effective than the old timers.
Is sending veterans who are doing actual work to just ask someone for video a good utilization of resources?
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:36 pm to AwgustaDawg
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There are multiple Muslim / Islamic leaders renouncing the attack....all you gotta do is google "muslim leader renounces New Orleans Attack" and you will find many links to various groups and individuals renouncing the attack.
They really needed to get ahead of it because once Patel gets in, they will be in the figurative crosshairs.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:52 pm to TDsngumbo
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For once, I'd like for a reporter who's interviewing one of these moderate Muslims to follow up with, "so if Islam were to ever achieve a global caliphate, would you celebrate?". Their real answer would always be "yes".
The slippery slope is that this also describes why a lot of non-Christians mistrust Christians.
Many think that devout Christians deep down want everyone to be converted to Christianity and live in a Christian nation under laws established by Christian doctrine.
This is why government officials putting up the Ten Commandments in public places or moral questions masquerading as laws, with few Christians speaking out against it, sets off such strong responses.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:53 pm to idlewatcher
Question about this R-Salt explosive stuff he used...
Is supposedly super rare but can be made with materials that are accessible to most. The explosive itself is not accessible to most, in fact it's extremely difficult to obtain so it would likely have to have been made by Jabbar.
We all know and have heard how rare it is and that it's never been used in a terrorist attack in Europe or in America.
A google search indicates that making it using ingredients would require a very specialized knowledge and set of skills.
So are we supposed to believe that this guy who couldn't even successfully burn down the house he was staying in that night knew how to make this explosive on his own? Ok, I'll bite on that...
So he made it himself. A real estate agent who was an IT specialist in the US Army was skilled and knowledgeable enough to make this super rare and highly complex explosive on his own? I'm not buying that.
So let's assume he didn't make it on his own and that he purchased it instead. Where did he purchase it from and how? Obviously it would've had to have been purchased illegally since he obviously didn't possess the credentials to do so legally --- so who sold it to him? An accomplice.
Let's assume he didn't purchase it and was taught how to make it instead. Ok, so who taught him how to do this? An accomplice and maybe more than one.
So we're to believe his trips to Egypt and Canada in the runup to this terror attack were innocent. A single man three times divorced without his kids took a month long trip to Egypt and another one to Canada for leisure? I'm not buying that. He went to Egypt to either purchase this explosive and somehow smuggle it back into the US undetected or he learned how to make it while there being radicalized.
I'm not seeing how Jabbar acted alone in this attack. I just don't buy it. The FBI knows there are more involved, they admitted it initially then walked it back, but they know more are involved.
Is supposedly super rare but can be made with materials that are accessible to most. The explosive itself is not accessible to most, in fact it's extremely difficult to obtain so it would likely have to have been made by Jabbar.
We all know and have heard how rare it is and that it's never been used in a terrorist attack in Europe or in America.
A google search indicates that making it using ingredients would require a very specialized knowledge and set of skills.
So are we supposed to believe that this guy who couldn't even successfully burn down the house he was staying in that night knew how to make this explosive on his own? Ok, I'll bite on that...
So he made it himself. A real estate agent who was an IT specialist in the US Army was skilled and knowledgeable enough to make this super rare and highly complex explosive on his own? I'm not buying that.
So let's assume he didn't make it on his own and that he purchased it instead. Where did he purchase it from and how? Obviously it would've had to have been purchased illegally since he obviously didn't possess the credentials to do so legally --- so who sold it to him? An accomplice.
Let's assume he didn't purchase it and was taught how to make it instead. Ok, so who taught him how to do this? An accomplice and maybe more than one.
So we're to believe his trips to Egypt and Canada in the runup to this terror attack were innocent. A single man three times divorced without his kids took a month long trip to Egypt and another one to Canada for leisure? I'm not buying that. He went to Egypt to either purchase this explosive and somehow smuggle it back into the US undetected or he learned how to make it while there being radicalized.
I'm not seeing how Jabbar acted alone in this attack. I just don't buy it. The FBI knows there are more involved, they admitted it initially then walked it back, but they know more are involved.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:55 pm to wm72
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Many think that devout Christians deep down want everyone to be converted to Christianity
Well, many Christian religions do technically ask and even require in some cases that Christians attempt to convert others to the way of God.
This is my point, though. Christianity has extremists just like Islam has extremists. We have disagreements within Christianity but at the end of the day, all Christians would rather the entire world be Christian than Islamic, and the opposite could be said about Islam.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 2:05 pm to TDsngumbo
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Christianity has extremists just like Islam has extremists
I dont think there's any comparison in the two.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 2:05 pm to N2cars
I know the father of one of the deceased, who is Muslim, spoke at the funeral and denounced this as not part of Islam and not what the religion he practices is about. Very strongly said this was not the acts of a real Muslim.
I am not saying I agree with that, but he did say it. Jihad and Sharia Law and all of that shite is in the Qur'an, so hard to deny that. But we also have some fricked up shite in the bible so I try not to go down those rabbit holes too much.
I am not saying I agree with that, but he did say it. Jihad and Sharia Law and all of that shite is in the Qur'an, so hard to deny that. But we also have some fricked up shite in the bible so I try not to go down those rabbit holes too much.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 2:07 pm to N2cars
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Christianity has extremists just like Islam has extremists
I dont think there's any comparison in the two.
I think modern Christianity is just more evolved. If we took some shite literally in the bible we'd be doing some heinous shite too.
They just haven't evolved. Kind of like animals.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 2:07 pm to TDsngumbo
Sure, but only ONE of the two goes by the DOGMA they can/must/shall convert all the others OR KILL THEM !
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