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re: James Spann weighs in on upcoming NOAA and NWS cuts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:07 pm to doubleb
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:07 pm to doubleb
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There are internet sources all over the place. Topical Tidbits.
I don't know if it has been pointed out in this thread yet or not, but every single one of those sources, including Tropical Tidbits, could not exist as they are and function as they do without NOAA.
This post was edited on 2/26/25 at 2:12 pm
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Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:08 pm to Jim Rockford
quote:Won’t be a problem because TRUMP is shutting down the Dem weather machine. No more Hurricanes in the Gulf of AMERICA. Maybe he will direct it toward Dem shitholes or maybe he will be a merciful god. Either way, don’t need this NOAA bullshite anymore.
What you'll do is get surprised by a fast moving Cat3 that blows up in the Gulf when no one is watching.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:09 pm to chryso
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We dont need farmers. We get food from the grocery store.
well done
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:14 pm to Jim Rockford
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What you'll do is get surprised by a fast moving Cat3 that blows up in the Gulf when no one is watching.
We have half a dozen major storm models with more coming online every day leveraging AI plus meteorologists and storm chasers from CA to ME covering storms and you think we’re going to get left guessing because some admins at NOAA who spent most of the last four years telling us how climate change was going to end the world?
No.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:17 pm to Jim Rockford
The replies (and the hysteria you see from every direction when things get cut) is why things get bloated beyond belief.
People are so accustomed to thinking the status quo is necessary to operate at optimal levels. Nevermind how we got to the status quo, but any reduction must mean poorer performance.
It's why it's so hard to enact real change in anything, whether it's simple personal decisions, large scale business decisions, or massive global decisions.
People are so accustomed to thinking the status quo is necessary to operate at optimal levels. Nevermind how we got to the status quo, but any reduction must mean poorer performance.
It's why it's so hard to enact real change in anything, whether it's simple personal decisions, large scale business decisions, or massive global decisions.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:22 pm to tide06
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We have half a dozen major storm models with more coming online every day leveraging AI plus meteorologists and storm chasers from CA to ME covering storms
Again, AI and meteorologists rely on data captured and made available from a source. Take a guess who provides the data.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:30 pm to SloaneRanger
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Doesn’t seem like an area we need to cut. There is a lot more lower hanging waste.
It is truly astonishing to watch people who are claiming to be laser focused on reducing bureaucracy using the absolute most ham-fisted bureaucratic method ever devised to cut bureaucracy. All they are focused on are large numbers of people, not who they are, what they do, how good they are at what they do....just a person, any person because all people are exactly the same to a reprobate beaurocrat.....
Not to mention their inability to do simple math LOL....it is truly fascinating to watch.....and it is not going to go down in the history books as a shining example of good governance....but it makes stupid assholes feel good for a minute and really coddling the snow flakes is the only really important thing......
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:30 pm to RIPMachoMan
Again, do you think NOAA will be shuttered and all of their resources wouldn't be used by a different entity? I guess we will just have to get used to zero weather forecasting if NOAA gets shutdown.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:32 pm to Jim Rockford
Once the cuts are made, tornadoes and hurricanes will increase by 700%. It’s science really
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:42 pm to Jim Rockford
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Like who?
Levi for one. As long as tropical tidbits is running we should be good.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:45 pm to Jim Rockford
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Immediate 33% cut to NOAA and targeted for eventual complete elimination of the agency
Praise GOD!
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:45 pm to alphaandomega
Again, Levi and all those others get their data from the NWS and NOAA.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:46 pm to Jim Rockford
If only there were other places to get the weather…
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:52 pm to RIPMachoMan
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Again, AI and meteorologists rely on data captured and made available from a source. Take a guess who provides the data.
Those things can and will have to be done more efficiently because we don’t have the money to sustain our current level of staffing and spending.
I’m sure some really good people being let go but anyone who thinks the government is staffed efficiently has never worked in the private sector or isn’t being objective.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:55 pm to Jim Rockford
It seems to me that people are running with "eventual elimination" with scant evidence.
There are all sorts of government agencies that do provide value. That doesn't mean they're not bloated, or even if they're not, that they're not subject to cuts so America can live within its means. It's a systemic problem for us that when it comes to getting leaner we go "Oh not that...or that...or that." There are things that need to be eliminated, but likely EVERYTHING (or nearly so) needs to be cut.
I see this like the people who'd go "Congress is trash, except my Congressman, he's great." If we want serious, lasting change we're going to acknowledge the across-the-board problem requires sweeping solutions. We have to do the responsible thing and then adapt to it. I appreciate Spann's viewpoint and I'm a weather nerd too, but I highly doubt we can't continue the major functions of NOAA/NWS while making cuts.
And when those cuts start and NWS/NOAA employees/management claim they'll have to delay maintenance on NEXRAD and put lives at risk because of Elon instead of not giving Howard 14 million dollars for a diversity program (as was done in 2022) - it'll tell the story.
There are all sorts of government agencies that do provide value. That doesn't mean they're not bloated, or even if they're not, that they're not subject to cuts so America can live within its means. It's a systemic problem for us that when it comes to getting leaner we go "Oh not that...or that...or that." There are things that need to be eliminated, but likely EVERYTHING (or nearly so) needs to be cut.
I see this like the people who'd go "Congress is trash, except my Congressman, he's great." If we want serious, lasting change we're going to acknowledge the across-the-board problem requires sweeping solutions. We have to do the responsible thing and then adapt to it. I appreciate Spann's viewpoint and I'm a weather nerd too, but I highly doubt we can't continue the major functions of NOAA/NWS while making cuts.
And when those cuts start and NWS/NOAA employees/management claim they'll have to delay maintenance on NEXRAD and put lives at risk because of Elon instead of not giving Howard 14 million dollars for a diversity program (as was done in 2022) - it'll tell the story.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 3:03 pm to tide06
It’s not just about staffing which it seems most are focused on in this thread. It’s the infrastructure (such as instruments, computing, etc) that captures the data points everyone uses.
Could it be replaced by private sector? I’m sure it could but to essentially replace would take considerable time and investment by those interested. Longer convo…
Could it be replaced by private sector? I’m sure it could but to essentially replace would take considerable time and investment by those interested. Longer convo…
Posted on 2/26/25 at 3:05 pm to alphaandomega
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Levi for one. As long as tropical tidbits is running we should be good.
Every bit of data Levi has and Tropical Tidbits uses is supplied by NOAA, and Levi is employed by the NWS/NOAA.
This post was edited on 2/26/25 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 2/26/25 at 3:11 pm to LegendInMyMind
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data Levi has and Tropical Tidbits uses is supplied by NOAA, and Levi is employed by the NWS/NOAA.
Is this data collected by humans? Or is it collected by things that expended capital (satellites, tide sensors, etc. obviously not talking about flying into the middle of hurricanes, obv) and just need maintenance? Why does the NOAA need to be in the middle of anything regarding data that is getting collected from various sources? Dump the data out there (IBM bought the weather channel for a reason, but nobody can waste money like Big Blue.)
I'm not saying you're wrong, but we also aren't responsible for the enormous bloat applied to seemingly everything the NWS/NOAA do (endless bleating about climate change, "most severe XX storm in history, etc.)
Posted on 2/26/25 at 3:32 pm to Jim Rockford
Yeah, because there are not enough private weather sources all getting it wrong. This will be one less outlet trying to provide weather fear to the idiot masses.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 3:36 pm to Jim Rockford
quote:Maybe I am crazy, but I don’t see 33% cuts with goal of eliminating NOAA anywhere in the article. All I see is this:
This was linked in the original article LINK
quote:This entire quoted paragraph is full of conjecture and nothing concrete…
Lutnick denied in his confirmation hearing that he would seek to dismantle or privatize NOAA as Commerce secretary. However, Project 2025, the sweeping conservative governance blueprint published by the Heritage Foundation, calls for such a move, and associates of tech billionaire Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) were reportedly present at NOAA facilities earlier this month.
This post was edited on 2/26/25 at 3:38 pm
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