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re: James Carville wants to name LSU Parade Grounds after Union General
Posted on 4/6/17 at 12:58 am to Salviati
Posted on 4/6/17 at 12:58 am to Salviati
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If you love the USA, you have to love Sherman. Without Sherman, there is no USA.
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Benedict Arnold then returned to the Hudson, where General Gates had taken over command of the American army, which had by then retreated to a camp south of Stillwater. He then distinguished himself in both Battles of Saratoga, even though General Gates removed him from field command after the first battle, following a series of escalating disagreements and disputes that culminated in a shouting match. During the fighting in the second battle, Arnold operated against Gates' orders and took to the battlefield to lead attacks on the British defenses. He was again severely wounded in the left leg late in the fighting. Arnold himself said that it would have been better had it been in the chest instead of the leg. Burgoyne surrendered ten days after the second battle, on October 17, 1777. In response to Arnold's valor at Saratoga, Congress restored his command seniority.
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Posted on 4/6/17 at 1:02 am to Kafka
frick Sherman and frick the union. The bad guys won.
Posted on 4/6/17 at 1:04 am to jbgleason
At least Sherman wasn't the slowest LSU general...
Insert Miles punchline however you like
Insert Miles punchline however you like
Posted on 4/6/17 at 1:48 am to jbgleason
frick him, his wife is more conservative than he ever will be
Posted on 4/6/17 at 2:03 am to jbgleason
I've been wanting us to recognize Sherman more since I was at LSU. There's a picture of him in Hill Library and that's about it. Love this idea!
Posted on 4/6/17 at 3:35 am to jbgleason
There's a Statue of General Forrest and Emma Sampson,the girl that led him to a crossing of Black Creek,in the City I live.They're not going anywhere.
This post was edited on 4/6/17 at 4:10 am
Posted on 4/6/17 at 5:49 am to tidalmouse
Sounds like James is off the wagon.
Posted on 4/6/17 at 7:00 am to jbgleason
I don't think we should be naming anything new after prominent figures in the Civil War, regardless of which side they fought for. To me, the Civil War was a complete failure by the leaders of our nation on BOTH sides to do what was in the best interests of its citizens and stop them from killing each other by the hundreds of thousands. BOTH sides were wrong, and neither side gets to claim moral high ground in the execution of the war itself.
In the decades following the war, we experienced a rash of monument building and naming of things that were nothing more than post-war spasms from both sides, trying to extol the virtues of their particular side. We inherited what was named and built from those people. I'm not in favor of removing anything they did.
BUT, I'm sure as hell not in favor of naming anything new after Civil War figures, north or south. It's 2017. We shouldn't be naming things after people who butchered our own people, regardless of the side on which they fought. Doing so introduces strife to a nation that is still trying to heal itself from the deep cultural scars of that war. It doesn't matter if you're black or white. There's still hurt feelings that do matter here.
Carville's backing of this idea is nothing more than a prominent alum seeking to use his personal influence on LSU, and promote himself. He says it's about Sherman. It's about Carville. As it always is with him.
In the decades following the war, we experienced a rash of monument building and naming of things that were nothing more than post-war spasms from both sides, trying to extol the virtues of their particular side. We inherited what was named and built from those people. I'm not in favor of removing anything they did.
BUT, I'm sure as hell not in favor of naming anything new after Civil War figures, north or south. It's 2017. We shouldn't be naming things after people who butchered our own people, regardless of the side on which they fought. Doing so introduces strife to a nation that is still trying to heal itself from the deep cultural scars of that war. It doesn't matter if you're black or white. There's still hurt feelings that do matter here.
Carville's backing of this idea is nothing more than a prominent alum seeking to use his personal influence on LSU, and promote himself. He says it's about Sherman. It's about Carville. As it always is with him.
Posted on 4/6/17 at 8:01 am to vl100butch
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Now I think Raphael Semmes Drive should be renamed,
after the war Semmes was a teacher at LSU
Posted on 4/6/17 at 8:35 am to jbgleason
Uh no. If we're going to remove Confederate statues I don't want that terroristic murderers name anywhere near LSU.
Posted on 4/6/17 at 8:38 am to SpqrTiger
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I don't think we should be naming anything new after prominent figures in the Civil War, regardless of which side they fought for. To me, the Civil War was a complete failure by the leaders of our nation on BOTH sides to do what was in the best interests of its citizens and stop them from killing each other by the hundreds of thousands. BOTH sides were wrong, and neither side gets to claim moral high ground in the execution of the war itself.
In the decades following the war, we experienced a rash of monument building and naming of things that were nothing more than post-war spasms from both sides, trying to extol the virtues of their particular side. We inherited what was named and built from those people. I'm not in favor of removing anything they did.
BUT, I'm sure as hell not in favor of naming anything new after Civil War figures, north or south. It's 2017. We shouldn't be naming things after people who butchered our own people, regardless of the side on which they fought. Doing so introduces strife to a nation that is still trying to heal itself from the deep cultural scars of that war. It doesn't matter if you're black or white. There's still hurt feelings that do matter here.
Carville's backing of this idea is nothing more than a prominent alum seeking to use his personal influence on LSU, and promote himself. He says it's about Sherman. It's about Carville. As it always is with him.
Best take on this topic in the entire thread.
Posted on 4/6/17 at 8:54 am to jbgleason
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Union General
Hell yea! DO IT
Posted on 4/6/17 at 10:52 am to CSATiger
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Now I think Raphael Semmes Drive should be renamed,
after the war Semmes was a teacher at LSU
I will acknowledge that he taught at LSU for a year...but that doesn't mean he needs a street named after him...besides, he commanded the CSS Alabama
General Barrow
Here's the guy that the street should be named after...
Posted on 4/6/17 at 10:55 am to LSUBoo
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It sounds like he was a capable administrator for LSU and generally a pretty stand up dude.
Plus anyone who sets fire to Atlanta is a good dude in my book.
You don't know what a straw man argument is...
Posted on 4/6/17 at 11:02 am to Ole War Skule
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It sounds like he was a capable administrator for LSU and generally a pretty stand up dude.
Plus anyone who sets fire to Atlanta is a good dude in my book.
You don't know what a straw man argument is...
it's a straw man and a pretty effective one when you think about it...I've laid my position out earlier in this thread and at least to my way of thinking, it's pretty thoughtful...
and for all those folks who are going on about Sherman's army going through Georgia and the Carolinas...go back and read the last few chapters of Band of Brothers some of the antics of E/506 PIR were similar...along with most of the Allied forces moving into Germany in 1945...
Posted on 4/6/17 at 11:04 am to Ole War Skule
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You don't know what a straw man argument is...
Sure I do.
I was making a joke, not an argument.
Unless you have me confused with someone else, but you did quote me after all.
Posted on 4/6/17 at 12:02 pm to jbgleason
Dickheaded shite-stirrer should STFU.
Posted on 4/6/17 at 12:05 pm to vl100butch
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and for all those folks who are going on about Sherman's army going through Georgia and the Carolinas...go back and read the last few chapters of Band of Brothers some of the antics of E/506 PIR were similar...along with most of the Allied forces moving into Germany in 1945...
You know we're not Germany, right?
Posted on 4/6/17 at 2:41 pm to vl100butch
Then change it to Thomas Semmes, his brother, Senator from Louisiana
Posted on 4/6/17 at 2:51 pm to CSATiger
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Then change it to Thomas Semmes, his brother, Senator from Louisiana
Did he go to LSU? What did he do for the university?
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