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re: Jalopnik: No One In The U.S. Really Wants To Buy Electric Vehicles
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:26 am to billjamin
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:26 am to billjamin
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Do you drive enough every day to need a charging infrastructure? Or can you not charge at home?
I'd still want to be able to use it in other situations if necessary. But to answer your question, if I never used it EVER for other things, no I wouldn't need more charging infrastructure.
But if I have to drive 3 hours to our lake cabin by myself I could get fricked. Or if I have to drive somewhere further for work last minute and can't rent a car, etc. Rarely do things like this happen, but I hate the idea of being trapped if they do.
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Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:28 am to AUCom96
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And for something that is being pushed to take over the ENTIRE world of car manufacture , that's a pretty big issue.
Only if you believe the talking heads. It’s going to be a long time no matter poopy pants joe or bootyjudge tell CNN.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:30 am to CatfishJohn
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But if I have to drive 3 hours to our lake cabin by myself I could get fricked. Or if I have to drive somewhere further for work last minute and can't rent a car, etc. Rarely do things like this happen, but I hate the idea of being trapped if they do.
That’s just a bit dramatic. I wouldn’t saying adding a 15 minute charge stop as “I could get fricked”
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:32 am to Korkstand
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If everyone had an EV it would require about 25-30% more energy than we currently use
A sudden 25-30% increase in power usage is far from trivial.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:35 am to windmill
quote:You can plug in the car when you get home, but it will not start charging until the scheduled time (usually after midnight). It doesn't even draw as much power as it can if it doesn't have to. It can trickle charge to reach full at a time you set (like your morning alarm).
I would think the average EV owner plugs in after arriving home from work in the 5-6 hour-which is not overnight. Early evening hours (5-8) would be high demand energy hours -admittedly I have no concrete evidence of this.
Do people think charging an EV is like putting jumper cables on it or something?
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:37 am to LegendInMyMind
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That Genesis starts at nearly 80 grand
They are producing vehicles that like 15-20% of the population can afford
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:37 am to Pikes Peak Tiger
Can’t wait until my EV runs out of power and I need an emergency charge on North St Claude Ave. No fricking way I buy an EV with that remote possibility.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:37 am to billjamin
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That’s just a bit dramatic. I wouldn’t saying adding a 15 minute charge stop as “I could get fricked”
There aren't 15 minute charge stations everywhere. My whole damn point
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 8:38 am
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:40 am to dewster
You will drive Electric Vehicles, eat Bug Paste Burgers, drink Soy Milk and like it - John Kerry
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:41 am to dr
quote:Hang on bro, you think the Tesla main battery can't charge its 12v battery?
nope, totally wrong
tesla motor is input 320 volts
Do you think your cell phone is taking in 110v AC when you plug it in?
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:42 am to fallguy_1978
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They are producing vehicles that like 15-20% of the population can afford
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“Lenin is said to have declared that the best way to destroy the capitalist system was to debauch the currency. By a continuing process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. By this method they not only confiscate, but they confiscate arbitrarily; and, while the process impoverishes many, it actually enriches some. The sight of this arbitrary rearrangement of riches strikes not only at security but [also] at confidence in the equity of the existing distribution of wealth.
Those to whom the system brings windfalls, beyond their deserts and even beyond their expectations or desires, become "profiteers," who are the object of the hatred of the bourgeoisie, whom the inflationism has impoverished, not less than of the proletariat. As the inflation proceeds and the real value of the currency fluctuates wildly from month to month, all permanent relations between debtors and creditors, which form the ultimate foundation of capitalism, become so utterly disordered as to be almost meaningless; and the process of wealth-getting degenerates into a gamble and a lottery.
Lenin was certainly right. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency.
John Maynard Keynes
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:43 am to CatfishJohn
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There aren't 15 minute charge stations everywhere. My whole damn point
I am sure there are charging stations all over around your lakehouse. I assume your lakehouse is pretty rural. The closest charger that I knew of from my lakehouse was over an hour.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:43 am to CatfishJohn
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There aren't 15 minute charge stations everywhere. My whole damn point
How long of a charge would you need midway for your 3 hour drive?
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:44 am to Korkstand
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You have one at your house.
I think part of the problem is people think they will continue the pattern of having to stop somewhere every week for a full fill-up when the reality is more than 80% of EV charging happens at home because it's so convenient.
For the average EV driver, a 30 minute stop at a charging station happens about as often as a 30 minute stop at an oil change station for an ICE driver. Then the ICE driver spends more time at gas stations than the EV driver spends plugging in at home.
Yep, you only really need to stop at a charging station when you are on a road trip. 90% of the time you will be charging it at home.
I predict we start seeing a lot more sit down restaurants near interstate exits and they will be replacing fast food places.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:44 am to Korkstand
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Do you think your cell phone is taking in 110v AC when you plug it in?
fricking hell do we have another voltage tard?
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:46 am to RedHawk
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90% of the time you will be charging it at home.
Still conservative.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:48 am to dewster
Maybe make them look like regular vehicles instead of something from Tron for starters. My brother in law has had several and it seems like shite is always going wrong with them.
For someone who is primarily a Toyota buyer due to reliability being my number one “feature” it’s just not appealing to me.
For me to really consider one I’d need it to be as quick and easy as filling up a tank of gas as well.
For someone who is primarily a Toyota buyer due to reliability being my number one “feature” it’s just not appealing to me.
For me to really consider one I’d need it to be as quick and easy as filling up a tank of gas as well.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:49 am to Pikes Peak Tiger
quote:If it happens at night, which the vast majority does, it is actually kind of trivial.
A sudden 25-30% increase in power usage is far from trivial.
And given that it will take decades rather than happen suddenly, it's essentially a complete non-issue.
Do you think the grid could handle it if everyone switched from LED back to incandescent bulbs? Because that would be about on par with the additional power consumption due to EVs.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:50 am to josh336
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Price is part of it, and no one here probably wants to hear it, but that small price difference is made up in the long run, saving on not having to deal with oil changes, gas, alot of routine maintenance you dont have to do with electric. I do agree if you have 2 cars, id keep one as gas until the infrastructure gets better
I fill up my 4Runner at the exact same station in my hometown 100% of the time. I never take the truck farther away than 100 miles anymore.
I ordered a Cybertruck but I canceled it after the first delay. That was almost 2 years ago when I bought the Toyota. Had it been available it would have probably been a great alternative for me. I only tow a trailer a few miles at a time now, and my wife also has a gas powered Yukon that can tow any boat we’d realistically get. So the severely limited electric towing range wouldn’t be a concern for me.
The asterisk is that I have a house and covered parking and plenty of space for a secure, weatherproof charger. Not everyone has that. People that live in flats or apartments are going to rely more on public charging, which isn’t really up to par yet. But I did see that a 3rd Supercharger came online at Baton Rouge. So they are making progress.
I’m honestly more intrigued and tempted by the rumored new Land Cruiser than the Cybertruck now.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 8:59 am
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:52 am to dewster
There is no way I’m buying one of those for what these electric vehicles cost
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