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re: It’s time to get medieval with criminals.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 12:30 pm to Townedrunkard
Posted on 9/7/22 at 12:30 pm to Townedrunkard
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I can tell you have no idea what you are talking about. They just had a case in BR where a guy killed two people, man and a woman. Was sentenced to life, not the death penalty b/c the DA office promised he would never get out at the time.
Parole board just reduced his sentence making him eligible for parole and then granted it.
So a life sentence, where a person should never see the light of day just got released. Victims were on the news saying they were on record being opposed and still the guy just walked free. It’s happening very often under Edwards….
I do this for a living; you have one anecdote out of the, literally, hundreds of parole applications that are filed each year. But sure, I have no idea what I'm talking about.
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Posted on 9/7/22 at 12:32 pm to Geekboy
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Geekboy
Dude, it's ok to just admit you were wrong when you said "there weren’t the violent crimes in the cities themselves like it is now. Not even remotely close." Nothing you have posted comes close to supporting that claim. In fact, your last citation actively refutes it. It's just silly at this point.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 12:35 pm to Geekboy
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LINK
Just read that entire article (which I doubt you did). This is the strongest statement in the entire article as it pertains to supporting your position:
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He concluded that "counterintuitive as it might seem... thirteenth-century England as a whole was not significantly more violent than the US or EU around the turn of the twenty-first century... [W]hile much of the US or EU experiences far less violence than much of thirteenth-century England, some city dwellers... endure about the same level [and sometimes higher]."
So the best you have is that some modern cities are roughly equivalent to the level of violence in medieval cities.
Which again, doesn't support your proposition that we should return to medieval methods of punishment because they had lower rates of violent crime. It once again refutes it.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 12:43 pm to Joshjrn
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Don’t need a separate one. In Louisiana, once eligible for parole, you are allowed to apply every two years. So let them apply after two years. The odds of their receiving parole would basically be zero. But if in a few years they are on their death bed, the parole board would have the power to release them into hospice, if they so choose.
People vastly overestimate the leniency of the parole board in this state. They say no orders of magnitude more often than they say yes, at least when it comes to crimes with victims.
This was our disconnect. Florida man here, so 85% time served before you get to go home. I see how what you said would apply for your state, while leaving me scratching my head. 2 years does surprise me on parole eligibility, but I at least get how infrequently they would get approved that soon.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 12:44 pm to Joshjrn
If as proclaimed by some ‘scholars’ the extreme forms of punishment back in the Middle Ages were not a deterrent, some argue the people back then were more boorish and much less civilized.
How would the modern day criminal mind interpret and react to witnessing a torturous death?
How would the modern day criminal mind interpret and react to witnessing a torturous death?
Posted on 9/7/22 at 12:46 pm to Townedrunkard
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b/c the DA office promised he would never get out at the time.
If true..
Holy shitePosted on 9/7/22 at 12:50 pm to Joshjrn
Posted on 9/7/22 at 12:52 pm to MoarKilometers
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This was our disconnect. Florida man here, so 85% time served before you get to go home. I see how what you said would apply for your state, while leaving me scratching my head. 2 years does surprise me on parole eligibility, but I at least get how infrequently they would get approved that soon.
As a point of clarification, people can apply for parole every two years once they are eligible. So for the sake of easy math, let's say you're serving 20 years on one of the crimes of violence that has parole eligibility as a first offender. You would be parole eligible after serving 65% of your sentence, or 13 years. If you apply at year 13 and are denied, you are barred from applying again until year 15, etc. For further clarification, you also have a "good time" date at 75%, which would prompt automatic release unless you've been an active frick up and lost that good time.
Currently, the offenses in Louisiana that carry life without the opportunity for parole (LWOP) are just that. My shift would be to add a parole eligibility date to that paradigm, but with no guaranteed good time date. So you would have the ability to apply for parole once eligible, and again every two years if denied, but with no guaranteed out date, ever.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 12:53 pm to Geekboy
Soro's DA's keep letting criminals out everyday
Posted on 9/7/22 at 12:54 pm to Geekboy
Death punishment works as a deterrent if its swift, severe and public. Seems that was the outcome from sociology class.
We don't have the guts for it to be done right.
We don't have the guts for it to be done right.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 1:04 pm to SammyTiger
Straw man much?
Posted on 9/7/22 at 1:09 pm to Joshjrn
Simple one year for appeals and a bullet.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 1:11 pm to Joshjrn
Now give me a list of the innocent people who were killed by criminals that were let loose.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 1:14 pm to Geekboy
Prisons take up valuable space. I think they should be built on the ocean floor.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 1:15 pm to Geekboy
The current murder rate is about half of what it was in 1980, and lower than it was in 1965.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 1:15 pm to Fastcat
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Now give me a list of the innocent people who were killed by criminals that were let loose.
1. Not relevant in a discussion of the death penalty versus life without parole
2. Are you advocating for the proposition that it's better for the State to murder innocent people if it means that some guilty people who are released might commit more crime in the future?
Posted on 9/7/22 at 1:16 pm to sabes que
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The current murder rate is about half of what it was in 1980, and lower than it was in 1965.
Currently rising.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 1:22 pm to Geekboy
Well you're half right, about the system. But the solution I think is not to go backwards brutal but to establish prisons that are legitimately clean, transparent, and focused on rehabilitation.
Some won't take rehabilitation. You can separate them after some habitual offender convictions.
Some won't take rehabilitation. You can separate them after some habitual offender convictions.
Posted on 9/7/22 at 1:22 pm to Joshjrn
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Are you advocating for the proposition that it's better for the State to murder innocent people if it means that some guilty people who are released might commit more crime in the future?
This is what the author's of these draconian threads either ignore or don't understand. It's OK to trust the same incompetent justice system that let's criminals loose with administering eye for an eye punishments? GTFO.
This post was edited on 9/7/22 at 1:23 pm
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