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re: It's getting tough to defend police. Threatning to take kid at traffic stop
Posted on 10/6/14 at 11:55 am to Seymour
Posted on 10/6/14 at 11:55 am to Seymour
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not given permission to search.
And sat there for another hour or so while he called for back up and brought drug dogs.
If the traffic stop (for speeding, as an example) is unnecessarily prolonged to bring in a drug dog when no reasonable suspicion of drug activity is apparent, then it is an unconstitutional seizure. Now, what is considered "unnecessarily prolonged" is up to the court, and that varies wildly. Generally, if it takes 20 minutes to run ID and write a ticket, then that's the window allowed -- not 45 minutes, not an hour.
Yet, it happens all the time -- someone refuses a search during a simple traffic stop, and the drug dog gets called... and they wait on the side of the road. Big no-no, but again -- it happens all the time.
There's an old saying... you might beat the rap, but you won't beat the ride.
Relevant USSC decision:
Illinois v. Caballes
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Posted on 10/6/14 at 11:55 am to LT
What did you see? I think you're just not all that bright--actually, I know that from previous run-ins with you.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 11:56 am to TeddyPadillac
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If you want you can send over some sort of patch for me to wear so i can be identified to be sent to my concentration camp when the time arrives.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 11:56 am to TeddyPadillac
now all you are doing is attempting to tear down posters credibility to solidify your stance.
You are looking like a complete fool right now.
I know i just attacked you. I think it was justified though.
You are looking like a complete fool right now.
I know i just attacked you. I think it was justified though.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 11:58 am to KosmoCramer
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You're part of the problem. Police use these tactics because of people like you.
You need me to stand up to police to protect yourself, you just might not admit it.
so what would you rather police do? never suspect anyone of doing anything?
In no way am i part of any problem. I've never had an altercation with police, nor will i ever have one, despite being pulled over probably 20 times in my 15 years of driving.
I'm not a criminal. If everyone else was like me, and not a criminal, maybe we wouldn't have stops like this b/c they would never suspect anyone of anything.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 11:58 am to meauxjeaux2
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meauxjeaux2
Jackass, the frick wrong with you. I don't give a frick about you dude.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 11:59 am to KosmoCramer
what you need,two white po-leese. What you gonna do? Shot me like all yall racist white cops like to do black men?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:00 pm to meauxjeaux2
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now all you are doing is attempting to tear down posters credibility to solidify your stance.
You are looking like a complete fool right now.
I know i just attacked you. I think it was justified though.
You've been in jail haven't you?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:00 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I'm not a criminal. If everyone else was like me, and not a criminal, maybe we wouldn't have stops like this b/c they would never suspect anyone of anything.
All I can do sir is...
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:00 pm to meauxjeaux2
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I know i just attacked you. I think it was justified though.
As long as you were in fear for your safety, it was justified.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:01 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:please enlighten me as to how this has anything to do with the video posted.
You've been in jail haven't you?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:01 pm to TeddyPadillac
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You've been in jail haven't you?
ur real dum, wow
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:01 pm to TeddyPadillac
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never suspect anyone of doing anything?
Pretty much. Should protect and serve.
Cops have quotas to meet and no the easiest way to get them. If they step into the gray area they aren't worried because maybe a few peoples rights are violated while getting their quota filled.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:02 pm to The Third Leg
OH has specific statutes I believe, I'll not an OH LEO. However it is across the board permissible for police to identify passengers during a lawful traffic stop.
Can you defend your rights? Yes. Is the best place to do that on the side of the road during the stop? No. Should you be able to record? Yes. Is it more effective to remedy this in the legal system? Yes. Keep the recording to yourself. In a few years hire me, and if there was wrong doing we state your case. In a few years it will also be my job to tell you when you have no case. In order to assert your rights you have to know your rights and the law. Most importantly leave your emotions out of it.
Can you defend your rights? Yes. Is the best place to do that on the side of the road during the stop? No. Should you be able to record? Yes. Is it more effective to remedy this in the legal system? Yes. Keep the recording to yourself. In a few years hire me, and if there was wrong doing we state your case. In a few years it will also be my job to tell you when you have no case. In order to assert your rights you have to know your rights and the law. Most importantly leave your emotions out of it.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:04 pm to meauxjeaux2
Thank God for the War on Drugs.
Where would we be without these noble public servants harassing and detaining people who may or may not be selling a product to willing buyers?
Where would we be without these noble public servants harassing and detaining people who may or may not be selling a product to willing buyers?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:04 pm to Five0
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Is the best place to do that on the side of the road during the stop?
So defend your rights after the infraction not before.
Just take the beating....
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:05 pm to Five0
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Is the best place to do that on the side of the road during the stop? No.
It isn't the best place, but it's a necessary place.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:06 pm to fightin tigers
Was someone beaten in this case?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:07 pm to Five0
Psychologically, yes, they were beaten.
I'll come kidnap your children and see what it does to you.
I'll come kidnap your children and see what it does to you.
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