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re: It is a mathematical certainty that alien life forms exist
Posted on 10/7/23 at 12:06 am to SpidermanTUba
Posted on 10/7/23 at 12:06 am to SpidermanTUba
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It isn't. At all. You just made that up.
Naw, he heard his preacher say it once and he liked it.
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Posted on 10/7/23 at 12:28 am to SpidermanTUba
I'm familiar with the great filter but this is really a really arrogant stance to take. "Out of the trillions of planets, we're one of the few that have it figured out."
Posted on 10/7/23 at 7:32 am to Thundercles
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I'm familiar with the great filter but this is really a really arrogant stance to take. "Out of the trillions of planets, we're one of the few that have it figured out."
How would the other planets without intelligent life know whether or not they've "figured it out"? If "we" hadn't "figured it out" we wouldn't be around to note the fact that we failed, would we?
This post was edited on 10/7/23 at 7:34 am
Posted on 10/7/23 at 7:41 am to Thundercles
My bad I think I misinterpreted your statement. Did you think I meant to imply we have made it past the Great Filter? If I did I did not mean to.
We have not made it past the Great Filter and almost certainly will not. We are at a critical point. We have the intelligence to utilize the resources of our planet on a vast scale but not the intelligence to do it in a way that sustains our environment. Man will be extinct or near extinct somewhere around 100-500 years from now. Forget global warming. We're acidifying the oceans, where half of our oxygen comes from and a huge chunk of the food chain. Ask anyone with a saltwater tank how important pH is.
We have not made it past the Great Filter and almost certainly will not. We are at a critical point. We have the intelligence to utilize the resources of our planet on a vast scale but not the intelligence to do it in a way that sustains our environment. Man will be extinct or near extinct somewhere around 100-500 years from now. Forget global warming. We're acidifying the oceans, where half of our oxygen comes from and a huge chunk of the food chain. Ask anyone with a saltwater tank how important pH is.
This post was edited on 10/7/23 at 9:57 am
Posted on 10/7/23 at 8:08 am to Mr Breeze
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My take as well, it's difficult to truly visualize the vast distances and time required at the speed of light. Eons. Reconcile relativity, quantum physics and gravity into the elusive "Theory of Everything" and it's a different discussion. Won't happen this century; except for its effects we still don't really understand gravitational force at distance. At least that's what I've read over the years, am not smart enough to fully comprehend the equations. Fascinating subject.
The Wright brothers flew 120 years ago.
What makes anyone think we’re the pinnacle of intelligence?
We could be thousands of years behind more advanced civilizations somewhere else that would find our grasp of science and physics laughable.
Posted on 10/7/23 at 10:00 am to riverdiver
The Universe is a dark forest
Posted on 10/7/23 at 10:02 am to riverdiver
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What makes anyone think we’re the pinnacle of intelligence?
At the very least we should have picked up some electromagnetic signal by now that appears to have been produced by an intelligent species. The universe should actually be filled with these signals. All we hear is utter, deafening, silence.
This post was edited on 10/7/23 at 10:03 am
Posted on 10/7/23 at 10:16 am to gizmoflak
I believe they are out there just not convinced they made it here.
Of you look at all the sand on every beach on the planet. There are more stars in the sky than grains of sand on all the world's beaches.
Each star has on average a couple of planets.
Mathematically life has to exist elsewhere.
Of you look at all the sand on every beach on the planet. There are more stars in the sky than grains of sand on all the world's beaches.
Each star has on average a couple of planets.
Mathematically life has to exist elsewhere.
Posted on 10/7/23 at 10:18 am to SpidermanTUba
You have to realize how slow broadcast travel in relation to light.
Posted on 10/7/23 at 10:24 am to SpidermanTUba
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Man will be extinct or near extinct somewhere around 100-500 years from now
Posted on 10/7/23 at 10:59 am to gizmoflak
I’ve seen the “They Live” documentary. They are here already. It’s just sad that the sunglasses technology was destroyed by them.
Posted on 10/7/23 at 11:44 am to Mr. Misanthrope
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The notion that life on earth randomly evolved over time is like saying a tornado went through a junkyard and left an assembled working 747 in its path.
lol what does this even mean. we have seen life evolve. I guess you got one thing right that it isn't exactly random which genes/traits get passed on
Posted on 10/7/23 at 11:45 am to TutHillTiger
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We were created dude we didn’t just come into existence.
when were we created? as homo sapiens or the creator made something that eventually turned into us?
Posted on 10/7/23 at 11:46 am to AUstar
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So there are approximately 200,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the observable universe.
Yeah but that is misleading. The planet earth has oceans, land, an atmosphere that protects the surface from UV rays, a magnetic field, and is in the habitable zone. How many other planets can say that?
drakes equation says 1 in 5 stars have habitable planets similar to ours
Posted on 10/7/23 at 11:49 am to Mr. Misanthrope
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It isn't. At all. You just made that up.
Not really. It’s sort of an amalgamation of similar sentiments expressed by others who think it’s preposterous to believe we’re the result of time and chance.
the odds of you being alive are equally as preposterous.
you were 1 of 50 million sperm to reach an ovary, which wouldn't have had a chance without your dad being 1 of 50 million sperm, which wouldn't have had a chance without his dad being the 1 out of 50 million, back at least around 25,000 generations.
Posted on 10/7/23 at 11:51 am to Napoleon
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You have to realize how slow broadcast travel in relation to light.
Dude. They travel at the same speed.
Posted on 10/7/23 at 12:01 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Dude. They travel at the same speed.
yep. dunno what he was talking about. the problem with radio waves in space is the odds of them hitting anything that can receive them are laughably impossible.
Posted on 10/7/23 at 12:04 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
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Not really. It’s sort of an amalgamation of similar sentiments expressed by others who think it’s preposterous to believe we’re the result of time and chance.
This is selection bias. The Universe is incomprehensibly large. Perhaps infinite. This means things with incomprehensibly small chances, perhaps infinitesimally small, will occur.
Posted on 10/7/23 at 12:05 pm to Corinthians420
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the problem with radio waves in space is the odds of them hitting anything that can receive them are laughably impossible.
Why? They are travelling in all directions. Signal strength is an issue if that's what you mean.
Posted on 10/7/23 at 12:13 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Why? They are travelling in all directions.
wrong.
In outer space, with no atmosphere, radio waves propagate in straight lines. In the earth's troposphere, radio waves are bent, due to interactions with the bounded electrons in air molecules. Refraction is generally the most important effect on radar propagation, communications and other Rf systems.
so imagine how perfectly placed an object would have to be for us to send a radio wave in outer space to the nearest star and hit something that far away.
This post was edited on 10/7/23 at 12:17 pm
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