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re: Israel–Hamas War Discussion Thread: News Links On First Page
Posted on 11/24/23 at 3:01 pm to Pandy Fackler
Posted on 11/24/23 at 3:01 pm to Pandy Fackler
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No I haven't. Not even close. Who would be against the return of the hostages? That makes no sense.
No one is against their return. But there are plenty of people (you being among them) who disagree with returning them through this exchange and it's fine that you're against it. You're not alone. It seems most in this thread agree with you. I'm just glad the Israeli Government doesn't.
You have. Quit crawfishing.
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Posted on 11/24/23 at 3:14 pm to fightin tigers
Why not quote my entire post?
Anyway, everyone supports their return. Even you. But not everyone supports what Israel has decided to do to make it happen and that includes you.
What do you think Israel should do to get them back?
Do you think Israel should simply wage war without regard to them or try to rescue them as an incidental matter? If they can save them through the course of war, then fine. If not then that's unfortunate and you simply move on. Is that the answer?
If not trading largely inconsequential criminals for innocent children and women is the answer, then tell us what is?
I don't want to put words in your mouth. I'd like your opinion. You disagree with what the Israelis have done to get these hostages back. What would fightin tigers do?
Anyway, everyone supports their return. Even you. But not everyone supports what Israel has decided to do to make it happen and that includes you.
What do you think Israel should do to get them back?
Do you think Israel should simply wage war without regard to them or try to rescue them as an incidental matter? If they can save them through the course of war, then fine. If not then that's unfortunate and you simply move on. Is that the answer?
If not trading largely inconsequential criminals for innocent children and women is the answer, then tell us what is?
I don't want to put words in your mouth. I'd like your opinion. You disagree with what the Israelis have done to get these hostages back. What would fightin tigers do?
This post was edited on 11/24/23 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 11/24/23 at 4:00 pm to Pandy Fackler
quote:
Why not quote my entire post?
Anyway, everyone supports their return. Even you. But not everyone supports what Israel has decided to do to make it happen and that includes you.
What do you think Israel should do to get them back?
Do you think Israel should simply wage war without regard to them or try to rescue them as an incidental matter? If they can save them through the course of war, then fine. If not then that's unfortunate and you simply move on. Is that the answer?
If not trading largely inconsequential criminals for innocent children and women is the answer, then tell us what is?
I don't want to put words in your mouth. I'd like your opinion. You disagree with what the Israelis have done to get these hostages back. What would fightin tigers do?
Thanks, stop doing so.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 4:58 pm to fightin tigers
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Thanks, stop doing so.
I haven't put words in your mouth. Here are your words. Page 339..
"Im not sure how anyone in their right mind can support a hostage for prisoner swap. But others have different values".
You don't want to answer the question? If not this swap. Then what should Israel do to get these hostages back?
I would like your opinion.
This post was edited on 11/24/23 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 11/24/23 at 5:05 pm to Pandy Fackler
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I haven't put words in your mouth. Here are your words..
"Im not sure how anyone in their right mind can support a hostage for prisoner swap. But others have different values".
You don't want to answer the question? If not this swap. Then what should Israel do to get these hostages back?
I would like your opinion
You really don't, you have no intention of being educated.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 5:12 pm to Pandy Fackler
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You don't want to answer the question? If not this swap. Then what should Israel do to get these hostages back?
You want the answer? They shouldn’t. They should be written off as of day 1. It’s sad, it’s unfortunate, but it is what it is.
You don’t negotiate with terrorist. All you are doing is confirming to them that kidnapping works and ensuring it continues to happen.
The only people who benefit from this ceasefire is Hamas. No ceasefire should be had. No negotiating.
The ceasefire comes when Hamas ceases to exist.
Don’t like that answer, now do you? Oh well. Now stop fricking spamming the thread.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 5:13 pm to beerJeep
War is hell….
Posted on 11/24/23 at 5:18 pm to beerJeep
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You want the answer? They shouldn’t. They should be written off as of day 1. It’s sad, it’s unfortunate, but it is what it is.
You don’t negotiate with terrorist. All you are doing is confirming to them that kidnapping works and ensuring it continues to happen.
The only people who benefit from this ceasefire is Hamas. No ceasefire should be had. No negotiating.
The ceasefire comes when Hamas ceases to exist.
Don’t like that answer, now do you? Oh well. Now stop fricking spamming the thread.
Finally. Someone who's willing to say it.
You get an upvote.
Hey fightin tigers. Do you agree with beer jeep here?
This post was edited on 11/24/23 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 11/24/23 at 5:26 pm to Pandy Fackler
Certainly not. They should never be written off.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 5:27 pm to Pandy Fackler
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Finally. Someone who's willing to say it.
I do wanna slightly tweak my answer. When I say written off I mean strictly when dealing with the terrorist in any sort of deal or swap. Just consider them dead.
They should still attempt to locate and rescue the hostages through other means, just absolutely zero dealing with the terrorist.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 5:36 pm to beerJeep
Tweak noted.
Oh and regarding your comment on not negotiating with terrorists.
Sure you negotiate with terrorists. Governments do it all the time and have done so for decades.
Not negotiating with terrorists is a noble thought. It's a courageous enough concept but few hold true to it.
Even the United States negotiates with terrorists and has always done it. Despite Ronald Reagan's proclamations to the contrary. In fact, he was the Daddy of negotiating with terrorists. it was his administration who negotiated the sale of weapons to Iran as part of an effort to secure the release of American hostages in Lebanon.
Kind of naive to say "you don't negotiate with terrorist", when doing so has quietly been a part of our foreign policy now for decades. And not just ours, almost everyone's.
Oh and regarding your comment on not negotiating with terrorists.
Sure you negotiate with terrorists. Governments do it all the time and have done so for decades.
Not negotiating with terrorists is a noble thought. It's a courageous enough concept but few hold true to it.
Even the United States negotiates with terrorists and has always done it. Despite Ronald Reagan's proclamations to the contrary. In fact, he was the Daddy of negotiating with terrorists. it was his administration who negotiated the sale of weapons to Iran as part of an effort to secure the release of American hostages in Lebanon.
Kind of naive to say "you don't negotiate with terrorist", when doing so has quietly been a part of our foreign policy now for decades. And not just ours, almost everyone's.
This post was edited on 11/24/23 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 11/24/23 at 5:36 pm to Pandy Fackler
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Finally. Someone who's willing to say it. You get an upvote. Hey fightin tigers. Do you agree with beer jeep here?
Whew! Y’all should just hug it out now.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 5:42 pm to Pandy Fackler
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This post was edited on 12/31/23 at 11:37 pm
Posted on 11/24/23 at 5:42 pm to Pandy Fackler
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Kind of naive to say "you don't negotiate with terrorist", when doing so has quietly been a part of our foreign policy now for decades. And not just ours, almost everyone's.
Well shite. That must mean it is correct now. Good point, government does no wrong.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 5:56 pm to fightin tigers
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Well shite. That must mean it is correct now. Good point, government does no wrong.
Look man. beer jeep has my attention now. He's got the stones to step up and give his unvarnished opinion on how Israel should handle this hostage situation. In fact, since I began my little piece of this thread, he's the only one willing to say something like this...If they can be rescued fine, if not then such is war. I don't agree with it but I like his willingness to answer and not obfuscate.
Well you? Not so much. You're not much on straight answers. I don't know that I've got anything else for you man.
In the outside chance you say something else worth responding to, maybe I'll chime in but probably not.
This post was edited on 11/24/23 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 11/24/23 at 5:59 pm to BeepNode
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I did notice that the hostages Israel released were all in very good health and looked sharp. At least that's one positive thing we can say.
Israel didn't release hostages.They released prisoners. Criminals.
But I get your point. I wouldn't know their condition. I haven't seen them, I'll take your word for it though. They're probably about as well taken care of as an American prisoner, I suppose.
This post was edited on 11/24/23 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 11/24/23 at 6:20 pm to Pandy Fackler
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This post was edited on 12/31/23 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 11/24/23 at 7:04 pm to BeepNode
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I did notice that the hostages Israel released were all in very good health and looked sharp. At least that's one positive thing we can say.
We can also say Israel released prisoners not hostages.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 7:27 pm to dallastigers
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Intelschizo @Schizointel #Tulkarem #WestBank #Palestine
Two Palestinians suspected of being informants for Israel were executed in the middle of the road in Tulkarem, West Bank, Palestine by a mob of Palestinians.
The Palestinian Authority Security Forces have not deployed as of yet to disperse this violent mob of around couple hundred.
The bodies of the two men executed extrajudicially in the streets of Tulkarem were hanged on an electric pole, after they had previously been dragged through the streets to warn the residents.
The two Palestinian suspects were alleged to have been involved in passing information to Israel that resulted in the death of 3 Palestinian fighters in the West Bank on 06NOV2023.
One suspect was a resident of Kafr Raai, Jenin and the second suspect was a resident of Tulkarem RC, Tulkarem
This post was edited on 11/24/23 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 11/24/23 at 7:28 pm to Pandy Fackler
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Look man. beer jeep has my attention now. He's got the stones to step up and give his unvarnished opinion on how Israel should handle this hostage situation. In fact, since I began my little piece of this thread, he's the only one willing to say something like this...If they can be rescued fine, if not then such is war. I don't agree with it but I like his willingness to answer and not obfuscate.
Well you? Not so much. You're not much on straight answers. I don't know that I've got anything else for you man.
In the outside chance you say something else worth responding to, maybe I'll chime in but probably not.
I'm sure you will
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