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Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 10/7/23 at 7:47 pm to
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That’s the dirty little secret all the “#FreePalestine” people don’t like to talk about.


Not really it’s kind of a dumb statement. It’s akin to telling Israelis that they should just move to Canada if they want to live in a secular democratic state. But of course they want their own ethno state, which many different groups don’t have of course.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
25755 posts
Posted on 10/7/23 at 7:51 pm to
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Per Jennifer Griffen

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The $6 billion is still currently held in a Qatari bank account with U.S. Treasury oversight, I’m told. The money came from Iranian oil sales to South Korea and did not include U.S. taxpayer dollars. NK spokesperson Adrian Watson said in a statement, ‘Not a single cent from these funds has been spent and when it is spent it can only be spent on things like food and medicine for the Iranian people. These funds have absolutely nothing to do with the horrific attacks today, and this is not the time to spread disinformation.’ In fact, the US has pre-positioned $2 billion worth of weapons stored in Israel. I’m told the US will likely release some of these pre-positioned weapons to assist Israel in the coming days.



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Gabriel Noronha
@GLNoronha
I'm sorry Jen but you are simply unfamiliar with Iranian budgeting practices and how the Iranian regime and Hamas make decisions.

1. Iran normally has to allocate its limited foreign exchange reserves for food/medicine months in advance to facilitate trade flows. Not anymore.


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2. Iran can now devote $6 billion of its unrestricted funds toward financial, operational, and logistical support for terror proxies including Hamas.

And it will do so through the Central Bank of Iran, which received a sanctions waiver last month as part of the hostage deal.




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3. According to Iranian lawmakers, they planned to use the $6 billion to backfill internal accounting debts to the Central Bank of Iran, which is sanctioned by the U.S. for their support of Iranian terrorism and support for Hamas.


https://www.iranintl.com/en/202309159160

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4. According to US Treasury sanctions across administrations, Hamas receives tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars directly from Iran through the IRGC.

The $6 billion payment freed up huge reserves to ensure that Iran could continue this support.



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5. Iranian and Hamas decisions about whether to embark on a war depend on their perceptions of whether they can sustain such operations.

Between the $6 billion infuse to cover future domestic needs, and the tens of billions of dollars in extra oil income, the answer was easy.




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6. Secondly, as I've written about repeatedly, the notion this $6 billion will even go for the humanitarian needs of the Iranian people is contradicted by a stream of evidence.

Ex. In 2019, 19 Iranian trucks of medicine were confiscated as they were heading for black markets.




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In fact, in 2020, Iran's Health Minister complained that there was “a highly complicated network” within the government responsible for systemic corruption and theft of medicine and medical goods.

They may buy medicine, but it'll go to the IRGC and Hamas.


https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2020/10/14/corruption-causing-medicine-shortages-in-iran/

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7. Congressional sources tell me the administration cannot answer basic questions about the $6 billion payment, such as whether there is any ability for end-use monitoring of the food/medicine allegedly bought.

Moreover, Iran has a long banking history of fraudulent invoicing.
8. As just one example, read this DOJ indictment against Halbank, a Turkish bank that facilitated "humanitarian" trade with Iran.

So please, don't take the administration's claims at face value. They are talking points without a grounding in truth.




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In the words of Iran's President Raisi: “Humanitarian means whatever the Iranian people needs, so this money will be budgeted for those needs.”

Iran is on the 34-nation Financial Action Task Force's blacklist for lack of financial transparency.


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In 2020, one senior Iranian leader confirmed they didn't want to even get off the blacklist, saying: "All [of Iran's] transactions and financial transfers are being carried out in a hidden manner..."


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The reality is Iran knew it was going to get this $6 billion in September months ago - it added enormous stability to their currency markets and ensured they had fiscal space.

Iran trains, equips, and directs Hamas activities. The $6B was a green light to approve this operation.



https://twitter.com/GLNoronha/status/1710752057118855326
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59518 posts
Posted on 10/7/23 at 7:52 pm to
How am I making a fool out of myself?

Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
26179 posts
Posted on 10/7/23 at 7:52 pm to
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Why don't Egypt and Jordan take in Palestinians?


That’s the dirty little secret all the “#FreePalestine” people don’t like to talk about.


The beef isn't about a place to live it is about specific land. Since the land isn't fungible nor can it be cloned the fight will continue ad infinitum.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
65141 posts
Posted on 10/7/23 at 7:52 pm to
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Not really it’s kind of a dumb statement. It’s akin to telling Israelis that they should just move to Canada if they want to live in a secular democratic state. But of course they want their own ethno state, which many different groups don’t have of course.


You poor stupid little shite stain.
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
15598 posts
Posted on 10/7/23 at 7:53 pm to
It just seems like that's the only good outcome for both sides. There's just never gonna be peace in that part of the world otherwise. I feel bad for Palestinians but you can't blame Israel at all for what's about to happen.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
6580 posts
Posted on 10/7/23 at 7:57 pm to
An E-4 could have seen this shite coming.

Since the surprise factor has now sailed, I expect that even civilians will go after anyone that looks like they may be from Gaza/Hamas. The normal Arabs from Jaffa, etc., will be fine, because their neighbors know they're not assholes, but shite is about to get stabby.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
3816 posts
Posted on 10/7/23 at 7:58 pm to
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#Israel continues to strike the #Gaza Strip

At the same time, Hamas spokesman Abu Obeida said that "the number of hostages we have is many times more than Netanyahu says."

Meanwhile, Hezbollah, a Lebanese terrorist group allied to Iran, Syria and Hamas, said it was ready to attack Israel from the north if Israel moves troops into the Gaza Strip. "If Israel moves ground troops into Gaza, they will meet all our forces in the north," Hezbollah said.

LINK

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The Israeli Defense Force has Declared a Closed Military Zone throughout the entire Area-of-Responsibility for the Gaza Division, this Zone is Closed to the Public due to ongoing Military Operations.


LINK

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The Hostage Situation in the City of Ofakim has finally Ended with the Hostages being Saved by Special Tactics Teams and the Terrorists having been Eliminated; 2 Soldiers were Lightly-Injured during the Operation.

LINK

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The #UN reported that 20,000 #Gaza residents have already left their homes

According to the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, people were placed in shelters.

LINK

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?? Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin #Netanyahu:

"We are entering a long and difficult war. A war forced upon us by the murderous Hamas attack.

In these hours, the first phase ends with the destruction of most of the enemy forces that penetrated our territory.

At the same time, we have begun the offensive buildup, and it will continue without reservations and without respite - until the goals are achieved.

We will restore security to the citizens of #Israel and we will win."

LINK

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#Israel has decided to cut off the supply of electricity to the #Gaza Strip, as well as the supply of fuel and goods, the Prime Minister's Office said.

The Gaza Strip gets 63% of its electricity from Israel, 14% from Egypt, 23% is self-generated.

LINK

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The Israeli Embassy in Greece has managed to Charter around 20 Flights from Athens to Tel Aviv which will take roughly 5,000 Israeli Reservists currently in Greece who have been called to Active Military Service back to Israel to assist with the ongoing War in Gaza.

Israeli Embassies in a number of other Countries including the United States, Germany, and the U.K. are also in the process of Organizing these kind of Flights for their Reservists as well.

LINK

Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
73195 posts
Posted on 10/7/23 at 8:02 pm to
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y Mo Jeaux


You have humiliated yourself in this thread. Stop digging.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
65141 posts
Posted on 10/7/23 at 8:02 pm to
This shite has been going on since 1949. Time for Israel to take the gloves off.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
6580 posts
Posted on 10/7/23 at 8:06 pm to
Nah, he needs to take multiple Ls long into the morning. Hit it again.
Posted by StrongOffer
Member since Sep 2020
4549 posts
Posted on 10/7/23 at 8:06 pm to
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Mo Jeaux


You showed your arse when you refused to answer this question. You’re either a troll or a fool and everyone here knows it.

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Is it your position the IDF is specifically and generally ordered to kill elderly people waiting for a bus, to rape women in their homes, and to kill children on sight? I can agree the dead don't care but we certainly can differentiate. I'm under the impression they are not, but like I said, I can be enlightened.
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
15350 posts
Posted on 10/7/23 at 8:06 pm to
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How am I making a fool out of myself?



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You’re such a little bitch to resort to this tactic by the way. It’s of course not surprising, but it is acting like a little bitch.


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Go frick yourself, you stupid frick.


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Go build a model, you stupid fat frick.


That is just the last two pages. You are unhinged for whatever reason. I will chalk it up to you hitting the bottle early watching football. Do better...be better.

Meauxjeaux>>>>>>>Mo Jeaux
This post was edited on 10/7/23 at 8:08 pm
Posted by SkiUtah420
Member since Jul 2023
410 posts
Posted on 10/7/23 at 8:09 pm to
so are the settlers though
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
55550 posts
Posted on 10/7/23 at 8:10 pm to
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You are unhinged for whatever reason. I will chalk it up to you hitting the bottle early watching football.

Nah, this is his default setting.
Posted by lsuguy84
CO
Member since Feb 2009
20267 posts
Posted on 10/7/23 at 8:12 pm to
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Mo Jeaux


Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59518 posts
Posted on 10/7/23 at 8:12 pm to
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That is just the last two pages. You are unhinged for whatever reason


The guy was telling me that I support terrorists. Of course I’m going to defend myself. Get fricked with this stupid attitude.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59518 posts
Posted on 10/7/23 at 8:13 pm to
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lsuguy84


Nope. Nice try though.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
25755 posts
Posted on 10/7/23 at 8:14 pm to


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lsuguy84
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
13373 posts
Posted on 10/7/23 at 8:15 pm to
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The guy was telling me that I support terrorists. Of course I’m going to defend myself. Get fricked with this stupid attitude.


you have this really nuanced position, but if push comes to shove, which side you throwing your support behind?
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