re: Israel–Hamas War Discussion Thread: News Links On First Page

Israel took the land in 1967. Which most nations still deem illegal. Building more and more homes in “occupied territory”. The US government told them this was a bad idea ( see article from June 2023) They ignored us. And how we have to bail them out with billions of dollars. And possibly some American lives as well.

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That was 75 years ago and not saying the Jewish militias were right but it was definitely not one sided.

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Palestinians still live in that era while Israel built a nation while being attacked internally and by its neighbors over the years and evolved.

Let me rephrase that. I mean the “United Nations”

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In the decades since, the Israeli-Palestinian dispute has continually flared into conflict, including multistate wars, armed uprisings (intifadas), and terrorist acts. A major turning point was the 1967 Six-Day War, which culminated in Israel’s occupation of East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and Gaza. In its aftermath, the UN Security Council adopted Resolution 242, which called for Israel to withdraw from occupied lands to secure and recognize borders in exchange for peace. The resolution lacked details, but nonetheless was a milestone, becoming the basis for future diplomacy to end the Arab-Israeli conflict.

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Haven’t seen anyone actually say they will accept them. Their neighbors has all said no. Germany has said no. Pakistan is deporting almost 2 million afghanis so they’re not going to take them.

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I hear Antartica is nice this time of year.

They better be careful. That area’s not safe after dark.

Looks like there is a lot of work to still do.

Drone video of destruction in Gaza

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIGK2Dyftu4

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Apparently 4 Hamas terrorists went to check out paradise today thanks to an IDF special ops team.

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I hope that instead of the 72 virgins this version of Freddie Mercury greeted them.

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Israel took the land in 1967.

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After Egypt blocked Israeli access to Red Sea starting the 6 -Day War in 1967 Israel took the land from Jordan and Egypt who realistically had taken the areas almost 20 years earlier from no one as palestinians rejected UN division plan (never enforced by UN as Britain just removed its forces as Arabs didn’t accept plan) and were not a self declared state or a internationally recognized one. Jordan ended up actually annexing the West Bank in 1950 and was admitted into the UN with a boundary that included the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Egypt had taken control of Gaza thru military occupation in 1948.

Israeli had to fight for its 1948 declared independence due to no UN enforcement of the 1947 partition plan, won it, expanded it, and had its independence accepted separately by UN afterwards including border differences from what was in original partition.

Officially palestinians took around 41 years of killing to accept UN land partition & declare independence in 1988 using the 1947 partition which the UN never actually enforced, no longer matched other UN accepted boundaries dealing with area, and over land it didn’t control and has never independently controlled. Jordan actually had to officially declare it no longer had a claim to West Bank in 1988 as well which had the additional benefit of justifying removing the Jordanian citizenship it gave to west bankers back in 1950 when it annexed the West Bank.

All based on 1947 plan that again was never originally enforced and that had terms that no longer existed and then had PLO add its own terms including Jerusalem becoming its capital even though Jerusalem was supposed to be international and UN controlled under the 1947 plan it was supposedly accepting. Acceptance also didn’t explicitly state acceptance of Israeli and its right to exist, but US and UN had to accept some vague speech by Arafat including the mentioning of using 1967 boundaries as a starting point in negotiations as being good enough acceptance of Israel from a palestinian. The PLO also didn’t actually control any of land it was claiming to be independent and hadn’t shown any ability to actually govern it in the future. By 1988 the UN general assembly had grown into junk and accepted it.

The UN still had to do some maneuvering including later usage of the International Court of Justice in 2004 to back date a League of Nations Mandate Palestine and the 1947 UN partition of Palestine as legal and declare territory as the "the Occupied Palestinian Territory".
“The International Court of Justice (ICJ) has referred to the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, as "the Occupied Palestinian Territory", and this term was used as the legal definition by the ICJ in its advisory opinion of July 2004.”

And that’s how they started claiming Israel is an occupier under “law” and also back date this claim as well.

Also don’t forget muslim arabs and later turks invaded and occupied the area long after Jews and then also Christians had been there. The 1st mosque in Jerusalem wasn’t even built until after this invasion and occupation in the 7th Century AD.