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re: Is timeliness no longer valued at all?
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:52 pm to AwgustaDawg
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:52 pm to AwgustaDawg
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All of the people who go on about "if you are 5 minutes early you are 10 minutes late" or the various renditions have spent their lives responding to the demands of other people. Many of them got that information from the military where they were not the ranking officer. I learned shortly after my firs gig as a project manager that no matter how early I arrived at a meeting people would be shocked to get there after me and next time would be there earlier and earlier. Since 99% of meetings are complete waste of time anyway it is the height of stupidity to arrive to a meeting early...if my people are showing up at meetings early it tells me one thing...they do not have enough scope to keep them busy...they need more work or they need to be ran the frick off. I want them to show up at exactly the time they are supposed to...not early, not late. Thats what I do.
There is some data that suggests that doing this will put you in a advantageous position...especially when you walk in and start the damned thing and do so confidently and effectively...it is SHOCKING to people and they will jump to the conclusion, true or not, that you are about your business and do not have time nor brook any nonsense...sitting in a conference room for 15 minutes idly chatting or worse staring at your phone but obviously not reading emails or texts is a terrible look for management...it tells them all they need to know about your work load...
You may be right but I watched a person put that work in, early, late, weekends. They had the education to go along with the killer mentality and now that person is the CFO of one of the largest helicopters companies on planet earth. If this person had not showed up early left late, no way they are in that particular spot this second.
Probably driven by career choice but Ive seen people from bumf*ck Louisiana running major publicly traded companies and it took that dedication to get to that level.
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:53 pm to BlackAdam
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The mentality is now that if you are early or on time that means you don't have enough to do.
The reason that is the "mentality" is because it is categorically correct...unless your job duties include being 15 minutes early to meetings you are wasting a quarter of an hour being 15 minutes early. Just show up when the meeting starts.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:54 pm to AwgustaDawg
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I can only speak for myself but if I were your patient and you started that shite with me one of us is going to need a damned doctor for certain...and the police. Why the frick would an employee talk to their boss that way??? Would anyone put up with an auto mechanic or a HVAC technician who acted that way toward a customer? Patients are the customer of medical providers...and medical providers are basically mechanics and most of them are not very good mechanics...frick a doctor and them putting their foot down, its a good way for the doc to find a foot up their arse....
I started to quote parts of this to point out the dumbest parts of this, then just put the whole thing up because all of it is the dumbest part.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:56 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Most people do in business, its called being responsible.
Most of middle level management and their direct reports do,..the motherfricker who counts ain't even in the building and is making as much as everyone in the room 15 minutes early or 15 minutes late LOL....anyone talking about being 15 minutes early is admitting they ain't the motherfricker who gets the meeting minutes brought to their assistant so their assistant can track what went on....they are mid level managers and will never be anything more.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:56 pm to scott8811
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I started to quote parts of this to point out the dumbest parts of this, then just put the whole thing up because all of it is the dumbest part.
It was almost like satire it was so ridiculous. I donbt think he meant it that way though
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:58 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Someone doesnt understand the medical system very well.
I know enough to know I am the customer and the doctor is a mechanic doing what I am paying them to do...
Posted on 11/2/23 at 3:00 pm to jlovel7
I think it's more of a generational thing due to cell phones. For those of us who entered adulthood before cell phones and instant wireless communication, you made plans with people to meet at certain places and times, and if you were late or didn't show up, it was considered extremely rude and could permanently damage relationships. Now, with the ability to give someone a quick heads up that you can't make it to the event/activity, people have an out. They can make up any little excuse and text it to you. Prior, if you had agreed to be somewhere at a certain, you pretty much had to make a best effort or have a really good excuse to provide later.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 3:02 pm to jizzle6609
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You may be right but I watched a person put that work in, early, late, weekends. They had the education to go along with the killer mentality and now that person is the CFO of one of the largest helicopters companies on planet earth. If this person had not showed up early left late, no way they are in that particular spot this second.
Probably driven by career choice but Ive seen people from bumf*ck Louisiana running major publicly traded companies and it took that dedication to get to that level.
I would bet that this person was ON time to meetings when they could not avoid them, not early, not late. That is the epitome of effective time management and it is what should be expected, not being a quarter of an hour early doing frick all and concluding that your the lynch pen because you were early.
Arriving early, working late and being productive is how you get ahead...when you MUST attend a meeting simply be there when it starts. Better yet be so effective that even the dumbest most egotistical manager will recognize that your talents and efforts are far more productive anywhere BUT most meetings....
Posted on 11/2/23 at 3:05 pm to jlovel7
The opposite.
For the past 6 months I 've been coming to work an hour early. I can get a barge load of work done before most people show up.
Last week the boss dropped on me and put me on blast that no one was to show up at work before the official start time (7AM). Here I was thinking that I was doing something productive for the company only to get a boot to the face.
No good deed goes unpunished.
For the past 6 months I 've been coming to work an hour early. I can get a barge load of work done before most people show up.
Last week the boss dropped on me and put me on blast that no one was to show up at work before the official start time (7AM). Here I was thinking that I was doing something productive for the company only to get a boot to the face.
No good deed goes unpunished.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 3:07 pm to scott8811
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I started to quote parts of this to point out the dumbest parts of this, then just put the whole thing up because all of it is the dumbest part.
Y'all can allow a fry cook at McDonalds to put their foot down when youre late if you want, I ain't built that way....if I am paying the bills I expect, along with the service I am paying for, a modicum of respect. I expect that from mechanics, from waiters, from bankers and from doctors...I don't give a frick what you do for a living if you are being paid by me you ain't putting your foot down with me...you can try but it is not going to go the way you expected. You might whip my arse but you got it to do....frick a doctor putting their foot down LOL....who the hell does a doctor think they are???? That is insanity....
Posted on 11/2/23 at 3:07 pm to SantaFe
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For the past 6 months I 've been coming to work an hour early. I can get a barge load of work done before most people show up.
Boy you aint lying.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 3:09 pm to AwgustaDawg
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I know enough to know I am the customer and the doctor is a mechanic doing what I am paying them to do...
You are a client, and you dont even pay most of the bill.
Youre not a customer.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 3:09 pm to SantaFe
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The opposite.
For the past 6 months I 've been coming to work an hour early. I can get a barge load of work done before most people show up.
Last week the boss dropped on me and put me on blast that no one was to show up at work before the official start time (7AM). Here I was thinking that I was doing something productive for the company only to get a boot to the face.
No good deed goes unpunished.
I will bet you that ignorant motherfricker has said something to the effect that "if you ain't 5 minutes early you are 15 minutes late" in their life. They are not interested in production and making money, they are interested in controlling people and their own egos. I'd start a job search if you ain't already...your incentive will be appreciated somewhere...
Posted on 11/2/23 at 3:09 pm to AwgustaDawg
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Most of middle level management and their direct reports do,..the motherfricker who counts ain't even in the building and is making as much as everyone in the room 15 minutes early or 15 minutes late LOL....anyone talking about being 15 minutes early is admitting they ain't the motherfricker who gets the meeting minutes brought to their assistant so their assistant can track what went on....they are mid level managers and will never be anything more.
You are right, great perspective. Glad I read.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 3:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You are a client, and you dont even pay most of the bill.
Youre not a customer.
I pay EVERY penny of the bill that is charged for my services....I don't pay the entirety of the days sells at the mechanics shop either, but I pay for what they did FOR me....
Posted on 11/2/23 at 3:12 pm to AwgustaDawg
Youre a client.
Not a customer.
Not a customer.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 3:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Youre a client.
Not a customer.
LOL, it isnt registering Roger.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 3:15 pm to jlovel7
You are definitely on the right track, especially for your age.
In the professional world, it should be the case that early is on time, on time is late, and late can't happen.
Clients and customers have too many choices to put up with that for long.
In the professional world, it should be the case that early is on time, on time is late, and late can't happen.
Clients and customers have too many choices to put up with that for long.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 3:15 pm to jizzle6609
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LOL, it isnt registering Roger.
Not for a lack of effort.Posted on 11/2/23 at 3:16 pm to jlovel7
If I plan something for family and friends at my house, then, no, I don't care if you're running late. There is a catch though. If dinner is at 6 and you're not there by 6:15, we are starting without you. You're still welcome all the same.
Now if it's work related or a reservation at a restaurant or a movie start time, then yeah, that's hard and fast type stuff. You need to be on time.
Now if it's work related or a reservation at a restaurant or a movie start time, then yeah, that's hard and fast type stuff. You need to be on time.
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