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re: Is timeliness no longer valued at all?
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:12 pm to High C
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:12 pm to High C
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I think we’re reaching a point where employers/supervisors are just happy if the person shows up, whenever.
Covid definitely put us through this. Now I take joy when they ask for a raise and are always late. I sit them down, show them their clock in times, and show them how much money they lost being late. There is your raise buddy
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:26 pm to jlovel7
All of the people who go on about "if you are 5 minutes early you are 10 minutes late" or the various renditions have spent their lives responding to the demands of other people. Many of them got that information from the military where they were not the ranking officer. I learned shortly after my firs gig as a project manager that no matter how early I arrived at a meeting people would be shocked to get there after me and next time would be there earlier and earlier. Since 99% of meetings are complete waste of time anyway it is the height of stupidity to arrive to a meeting early...if my people are showing up at meetings early it tells me one thing...they do not have enough scope to keep them busy...they need more work or they need to be ran the frick off. I want them to show up at exactly the time they are supposed to...not early, not late. Thats what I do.
There is some data that suggests that doing this will put you in a advantageous position...especially when you walk in and start the damned thing and do so confidently and effectively...it is SHOCKING to people and they will jump to the conclusion, true or not, that you are about your business and do not have time nor brook any nonsense...sitting in a conference room for 15 minutes idly chatting or worse staring at your phone but obviously not reading emails or texts is a terrible look for management...it tells them all they need to know about your work load...
There is some data that suggests that doing this will put you in a advantageous position...especially when you walk in and start the damned thing and do so confidently and effectively...it is SHOCKING to people and they will jump to the conclusion, true or not, that you are about your business and do not have time nor brook any nonsense...sitting in a conference room for 15 minutes idly chatting or worse staring at your phone but obviously not reading emails or texts is a terrible look for management...it tells them all they need to know about your work load...
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:28 pm to AwgustaDawg
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All of the people who go on about "if you are 5 minutes early you are 10 minutes late" or the various renditions have spent their lives responding to the demands of other people.
Most people do in business, its called being responsible.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:30 pm to keakar
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it happens because management allows it to happen
start firing everyone not there on time and be sure to announce to the whole staff why they were fired.
do that and the shite stops immediately, so grow some balls and start firing people rather than bitching on internet about it.
Do that and they will be back to work before quitting time and you will be spending the months running up to bankruptcy explaining to clients why their shite ain't getting done because you threw a hissy fit and fired eerybody....
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:35 pm to Ryan3232
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A lower level employee at my company is religiously 15-20min at least 2-3 days a week. Im not her boss as she is not in my department, but her boss is my equal.
Her boss says she is a great employee otherwise so he doesnt want to get rid of her which I kind of understand, but when you are on salary and cant show up on time, something has to happen.
Her excuse is generally that traffic is bad where she comes from. Well to me its pretty simple… fricking leave 20 minutes earlier than you usually do.
Not my problem though, i find it funny.
So it seems then that in your job your first goal is to ensure your employers are on time and somewhere down the list is them being effective in their duties where the other manager's first goal in their job is to produce whatever it is y'all are getting paid to produce and this person is doing that even when an hour late a week. Unless you are talking about a production line or a follow on shift where something is going undone while she is late and can't be made up why would anyone care what time she showed up? If I am paying someone to make widgets and expect 100 widgets a shift and they can make 100 widgets in 7 hours and 40 minutes instead of the 8 everyone is taking I am good with that....my goal is widgets, not having people show up on time.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:37 pm to jlovel7
I’m never late to appointments or anything, but if you have a salary job you can do at anytime I have never understood why some people (usually older) care so much about when people show up for work. Do you get your job done? If yes, why does it matter if I show up at 9 or leave at 3?
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:38 pm to jlovel7
quote:Then they blame their failures on the successful.
Just all around so infuriating that people are so flaky and irresponsible, even for things like this which would have massively been in her own self interest to make it there.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:40 pm to jose
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I hate when patients are late and expect, rather demand, to be seen. I put my foot down.
And I totally understand the flip side of the argument. Most doctors offices have ridiculous wait times. I pride myself on being timely and not making my patients wait. I would rather my patients less wait time and I try my hardest to accomplish this. My notes are second fiddle, I’ll do them later.
I can only speak for myself but if I were your patient and you started that shite with me one of us is going to need a damned doctor for certain...and the police. Why the frick would an employee talk to their boss that way??? Would anyone put up with an auto mechanic or a HVAC technician who acted that way toward a customer? Patients are the customer of medical providers...and medical providers are basically mechanics and most of them are not very good mechanics...frick a doctor and them putting their foot down, its a good way for the doc to find a foot up their arse....
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:42 pm to Asharad
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I skip most of mine. I'd rather be in the field or at my desk getting something done, rather than listen to status updates from 10 other groups that don't really impact me.
Here is the person you want working for you, not that idiot 15 minutes early to every meeting....that bastard ain't got near enough scope to keep them busy.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:43 pm to AwgustaDawg
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I can only speak for myself but if I were your patient and you started that shite with me one of us is going to need a damned doctor for certain...and the police. Why the frick would an employee talk to their boss that way???
Someone doesnt understand the medical system very well.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:44 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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If she’s salaried and is getting all the work done and a top performer, you don’t rock the boat. If she starts slipping performance wise. Then you tighten up.
That is the smart money...most people are too damned stupid to take that route. Her being late is a personal affront to their authority and their authority is what she is being paid to facilitate, not profits for both parties employer.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:45 pm to jlovel7
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ETA: I'll add the anecdote that precipitated this. Fiancé has a friend struggling to find a job. I have a childhood neighbor my parents are great friends with who is a massive figure in international law. State department connections, judicial connections, managing partner at a massive international law firm. This is right in this girls wheelhouse for what she wants to do. We set up a dinner at my house (which we were going to travel into town for) so they can meet. Well she cancels the day of because she made casual dinner plans with another friend instead. Totally bails, but says she'd like to still do a zoom meeting with the connection. Me and my dad basically just say "not happening, you blew it". My mom has a huge 10 person dinner she's been cooking all day for this as we were coming in, the lawyer and his wife, plus others, now will basically totally go to waste.
Just all around so infuriating that people are so flaky and irresponsible, even for things like this which would have massively been in her own self interest to make it there.
Is your fiance and the friend still on good terms?
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:46 pm to jlovel7
This post was edited on 11/25/23 at 11:21 am
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:47 pm to rintintin
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Untimeliness is a huge pet peeve of mine.
It not only shows irresponsibility, but a complete lack of respect for the other party.
People like to justify it by "oh I'm so busy", but that's a bullshite excuse. Adjust how you schedule things if you're so busy.
There it is...it is all about the person who is offended and their ego...has nothing at all to do with business.
If you are someone's manager you know if they have time to attend a meeting or not and if they have time to be there on time if being on time is important. If you do not you are not doing your job and that is why they are incapable of doing theirs.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:48 pm to jlovel7
I tell my employees and younger folks I work with that being consistently punctual is a really easy way to separate yourself from most people in the workplace.
I notice that shite and I know others do too.
I notice that shite and I know others do too.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:48 pm to LetTheTigerOut
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In short, today's lack of civility is part of the societal collapse of our culture and nation.
Correct.
Etiquette is common courtesy, people today are primary living in their own head.
I arrive early primarily for me. Allowing time for contingency. People who plan on being right on time often arent.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:51 pm to jlovel7
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He wasn’t rude at all…. just rather stoic about not being on time to open up the restaurant shop. That’s what I found interesting. Exactly. Almost like it's just expected.
But ask him to stay late and I bet he spirals into depression posting about how he’s so unfairly oppressed by society and that he should get a raise for having to deal with such an indignation.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:51 pm to Gee Grenouille
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The most common type of "uncivilized" behavior in the workplace is wasting someone's time to save your own. That's a textbook written statistic and the specific language used. As an example, let's say you don't know how to set up an out of office response on your outlook email. Instead of googling or youtubing an answer, you just ask someone that might know. What you're telling that person is that your time is more valuable than theirs. It's incredibly common in todays workplace.
So most people would agree that most meetings are nothing more than a waste of time and are held so management can pretend as if they are doing something productive. Anything that is relayed in most meetings can be done outside of a formal meeting and with almost no impact on their employees time and those employees will remain productive. Instead, managers assume since they make more their time is more important so they call all their less paid employees together and waste their time doing the work the manager is supposed to be doing themselves...keeping up with what their people are doing.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:52 pm to dbeck
The past few years have ruptured the social contract, and people no longer feel the duties of basic civil behavior such as being polite, on time, and using appropriate language.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:52 pm to AwgustaDawg
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So most people would agree that most meetings are nothing more than a waste of time and are held so management can pretend as if they are doing something productive.
What does that have to do with anything he said?
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