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Is This the Year ACoE is Forced to Open Morganza?

Posted on 2/12/20 at 7:17 am
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
Huntsville, AL
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 2/12/20 at 7:17 am
With MS suing due to ORCS devastating their fishing industry and 544% normal rainfall in the TN valley and high snow levels in the lower Ohio does this force ACoE’s hand to open the Morganza beyond a few gates?

If ACoE is extremely resistant as in years past this would give credence to the fact the believe the entire structure will fail if opened. Huge black eye the ACoE will avoid and deflect on at all costs.
Posted by Uncs
Member since Aug 2008
3080 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 7:19 am to
I hope so, They really don't understand the deer mortality rate that they are hurting in certain areas! Have heard that several hunting clubs along the Miss River when the river goes up all these deer are closer together on smaller islands of land that the transmission of CWD and other disease is REAL!

Open Morganza and let it rip! Roll em boys!
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 2/12/20 at 7:20 am to
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With MS suing due to ORCS devastating their fishing industry
I think you mean Bonnet Carre spillway?
Posted by dyslexic
Left field
Member since Nov 2010
6640 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 7:21 am to
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21849 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 7:25 am to
USACE will follow its congressional mandate unless directed to do so otherwise either by POTUS or Congress.

The only way I see that changing without either of those is by court order, but that won't happen unless it works its way through litigation which will take a long time.

Also, Bonnet Carre is the issue, not ORCS. If they shut down ORCS you would see national economic reprecussions immediately.
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 7:27 am
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 2/12/20 at 7:34 am to
Maybe let people that have the slightest clue what they're talking about start these threads
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 7:34 am
Posted by fishfighter
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Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 2/12/20 at 7:41 am to
Used to hunt Old Miss club. High water, one would see a couple hundred deer at a time. The club would shut down the season once the river would hit 35' in BR.
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 7:56 am to
A judge recently ruled that a lawsuit Mississippi filed against the ACOE can go forward. This lawsuit is specific to the ORCS stating that it has caused silting issues and water to back up into Mississippi and flood large areas resulting in loss income.

If I’m not mistaken Missouri did the same in the past and won resulting in land owners receiving around $4300 an acre in damages for their affected land.

If the feds have to pay billions, it might get attention in DC and they will look at the congressional mandates in place on requirements for opening it but that’s probably a few years down the road
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
76175 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:11 am to
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ACoE
Who writes it this way?

Anglican Church of England?

USACE for the past four decades for me.

I’ve got QUESTIONS!!!!!!
Posted by White Bear
Homeless
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:30 am to
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I hope so, They really don't understand the deer mortality rate that they are hurting in certain areas! Have heard that several hunting clubs along the Miss River when the river goes up all these deer are closer together on smaller islands of land that the transmission of CWD and other disease is REAL! Open Morganza and let it rip! Roll em boys!
What about the deer in the Morganza?
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
6387 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:36 am to
quote:

I hope so, They really don't understand the deer mortality rate that they are hurting in certain areas!


I don't think you know how the ORCS works. It's not like a bath tub where the water is just going to go away in a day. Plus the South MS delta is going to flood again along the Yazoo with back water and opening the Morganza won't help with that
Posted by White Bear
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Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:37 am to
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If I’m not mistaken Missouri did the same in the past and won resulting in land owners receiving around $4300 an acre in damages for their affected land.

MO Flood Damages Suit

Looks like the MO suit was due to USACE changing focus from flood control to endangered species and wildlife protection. (which supposedly caused the flooding)

So what's all this rain have to say? I think these lawsuits are bullshite, typical though, blame someone else but I built/bought investment property, etc. in a known flood zone.
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 8:39 am
Posted by LSUballs
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:42 am to
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Plus the South MS delta is going to flood again along the Yazoo with back water and opening the Morganza won't help with that



#finishthepumps
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:43 am to
70/30 split needs to change
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 8:43 am
Posted by lsufishnhunt
Member since Jun 2008
1045 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:56 am to
First I’ve heard of this.... change the split based in flow rate?
Posted by financetiger
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 2/12/20 at 9:10 am to
quote:

544% normal rainfall in the TN valley


Source?
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 2/12/20 at 9:13 am to
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544% normal rainfall in the TN valley


Lolwut
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61797 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 9:14 am to
quote:

does this force ACoE’s hand to open the Morganza beyond a few gates?


Nope
Posted by lsutigersFTW
Lafayette
Member since Jun 2008
8051 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 9:18 am to
I hope not. We have a hunting camp that sits basically on the Atchafalaya River in Butte LaRose, high and dry. The deer hunting is plentiful and the whole hunting scene there is beautiful. That area could get flooded if they full on open the gates
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
15176 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 9:20 am to
Morganza protects BR and Bonnie Carre protects New Orleans.

That is over simplified

ACoE opens the gates at either based on river lever and flow at BR and NO respectively.

Opening Morganza doesn’t have near as much effect on NO as the BC opening dose
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