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re: Is there any benefit to buying a home vs building or vice versa?

Posted on 6/19/18 at 2:09 pm to
Posted by PortHudsonPlaya
Houston
Member since Jul 2017
3170 posts
Posted on 6/19/18 at 2:09 pm to
Building a home is a huge headache.

Buying one, you’re going to spend more, but you also get a lot more stuff that is already established (yard, decks, accents, etc). Also most of the ‘bugs’ have already been worked out.
Posted by dsides
Member since Jan 2013
6176 posts
Posted on 6/19/18 at 2:14 pm to
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You can realize a great savings by cutting out the middle man if possible. You get permits and run the build.

Hire all the subs, work your own deals. Significant savings with built in equity before moving in.


If the additional amount of time you’d invest is worth what you’d save, it probably means you don’t make much in your primary line of business. It’s called time value of money.
Posted by 99BLKBRD
Member since Mar 2015
575 posts
Posted on 6/19/18 at 2:31 pm to
I like to build because you can implement specific items that’s not much more on the front end. For example, I wanted my basement receptacles wired with #12 cause I have some high amp drawing power tools, had the basement floor poured extra thick because of using a floorjack on the cars...stuff like that.
Posted by shotcaller1
Member since Oct 2014
7501 posts
Posted on 6/19/18 at 3:14 pm to
1 - that sounds like a huge pain in the arse

2 - if you’re building or buying a home, I would think you make more money at your day job than you would save by subbing everything yourself.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 6/19/18 at 5:05 pm to
All of that is true, it is difficult to build your own home and be the GC, but if you are patient, diligent, a good negotiator then you can do this and save money.

Of course your time is worth some money but each individual would need to scratch that out for themselves. I did it and the savings was worth it and had a huge equity built in. It took me a little longer to build it, but I got quality subs, and some phases were quicker than others.

It was a fun experience as well.
Posted by Geauxtiga
No man's land
Member since Jan 2008
34401 posts
Posted on 6/19/18 at 5:10 pm to
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I build every 5-10 years to avoid repairs.


My house is 20 yrs old and we've had very little maintenance. Build quality.
Posted by Ricky1962
Member since Oct 2012
163 posts
Posted on 6/19/18 at 5:25 pm to
Do you know anything about economics? The seller nor the agent make up a price, it’s determined by what someone is willing to pay you dipshit. When you finally own something yourself you may start to get it.
This post was edited on 6/19/18 at 7:29 pm
Posted by T4
Member since Mar 2014
288 posts
Posted on 6/19/18 at 5:25 pm to
I started #245 and #246 this week, been building for 13 years and the last 24 months, especially the last 15 months have been the least profitable ever. Material prices are insane right now across the board with framing materials leading the field in regard to increases. 2,150 sf heated French country style today vs 24 months ago costs me 13% more. Labor force is a nightmare right now too, contractors will get preferential treatment on price and schedule leaving individuals to wait and pay more. I run a framing subcontracting business too and I charge contractors 20% less than individuals, and I make all of them wait at least twice as long. You can save money in theory, but my price and your price on everything will eat up a huge chunk. You will save the 5% commission, but that’s the only guaranteed savings. Realtors only suggest price on new construction, contractors and appraisals control price more than realtors. Good luck, there’s a reason only a select few of idiots decide to do this for a living.
This post was edited on 6/19/18 at 5:49 pm
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
45423 posts
Posted on 6/19/18 at 9:50 pm to
I bet your walls are tan, hardwoods light, and your tile is brown. Good luck trying to sale.
Posted by Croacka
Denham Springs
Member since Dec 2008
61451 posts
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:01 pm to
The only surefire way to build with equity is to self contract

I thought about building (using a GC) and it seemed like it was gonna cost more than buying a newish house so we went that route.

If I had the time and patience to self contract, it’s a different story
This post was edited on 6/19/18 at 10:02 pm
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
85538 posts
Posted on 6/19/18 at 11:59 pm to
Just buy a house that already there. You don’t need anything special Bc you aren’t special.
Posted by airfernando
Member since Oct 2015
15248 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 12:12 am to
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s. You have a period pf maintenance free ownership, then that fricker is a money pit. I build every 5-10 years to avoid repairs
utter retardation
Posted by Jenar Boy
Elsewhere
Member since Aug 2013
14286 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 12:52 am to
Build. It’s the only way you’ll get what you want.
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
76156 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 2:31 am to
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Just buy a house that already there. You don’t need anything special Bc you aren’t special.
A-freakin’-Men!

Generally nowadays there’s an applicable corollary to the adage “A lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client” as to being one’s own inexperienced GC without at least a Construction Management-type to assist in the building process.

A large percentage of the population (> 90%) cannot build a quality modern house better, more quickly, and more cheaply than can a GC/professional CM can.

And the less than 10% who can will have to invest a bunch of intellect, education, time, blood, sweat, and tears to do so.

I’ve been around the process since Bush 41’s presidency, it is much harder today than it has ever been to effectively self-contract on many fronts.

tl/dr: The vast majority of folks who try to self-contract end up taking longer and spending more with a lesser quality end product than if they’d have found a competent, honest GC or Construction Manager to handle their project.

And then they lie afterwards (sometimes even to themselves) and say they saved money and time and got a better house.
Posted by fishfighter
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Member since Apr 2008
40026 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 4:37 am to
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My house is 20 yrs old and we've had very little maintenance. Build quality.


My house is 20 years old too! I sub and built my house back then. Did 80+% of the work myself. Have 2750 living, 3600 under roof. Cost me right at 54K to build it back then and took me 6 months to complete. The house appraised at $146K when I finished. As a shift worker, I had the time to do it. It was hard. My weight when I started was around 185, finished, I was down to 160.

As far as repairs, I did have a new HAV system installed a couple years ago.

The good thing of building it yourself, one can put extras into the build like insulation in spots that a contractor would not. And having changes when under construction, cost is very low.

Would I do it again? Hell yes, building a guest now. Only difference, it's taking me a few years. No hurry and I work on it when I feel good. I'm retired.

Oh, one better know up front what one is getting in to. As a life long woodworker, I knew what I was doing. Also, I'm a person that does just about everything myself. I hate to pay for any labor when it comes down to have something fixed.

To build a house, one has to have a bit of common sense.
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 4:56 am
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
17793 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 4:54 am to
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Homes are no different than cars


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I always make 20-30% in equity doing this


What kind of cars are you buying if you make 20-30% return every time you sell?
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:56 am to
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Realtors in my area have lost their got damn minds, jacking up home prices 20 and 30%.


Realtors don't jack up prices, buyers do. Sellers will sell for what the market is willing to pay.
Posted by TSS_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2013
272 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:58 am to
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Is there any reason why should I buy someone else’s old home at a price some stay-at-home, old insurance sales realtor dictated and is out of their mind pricing? Especially when considering that I can build a larger, nicer, newer home for the same amount of money?


The only one of those that is a guarantee is "newer". The rest have too many variables.

What type of land can you buy?
Is it developed?

Acreage in rural areas is less expensive than more developed areas for the most part but it also normally lacks things like:
Water supply
Electricity run to lot from feeds
Sewer/Modad system
Driveway

You see a lot in a subdivision selling for 70k and think it is outrageous because there is an acre in the country for 25k so you go rural. Then you spend 10K to have trees uprooted and the rootbeds repacked with clay (can't cut them down and grind the stumps baw your slab goes there!), another 8 grand to have the property leveled off so that it will drain and make up your dirt pad (assuming you are at or above flood plain), better pack it down and rock or pour in a driveway, pumper trucks only reach so far, find out exactly how much a well digger costs, The electric company will bring you power from the feeder at cost (this will be the most reasonable offer you get through the process).

It can be great and in a LOT of cases it is worth it, but don't assume that it is cheaper because in this scenario you have sunk a bunch of liquid cash into the project and you haven't even poured concrete yet.

I always tell people to buy or rent a home for a few years first, so that you know exactly what you love and hate about that home before you build because unless you are building houses specifically to sell for a profit there is a chance it may be yours for a while.
Posted by ItNeverRains
Offugeaux
Member since Oct 2007
28166 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 6:49 am to
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One other thing to consider is that houses that were built a long time ago were often built well.


I’ll put today’s codes vs yesteryear’s codes and today’s materials vs yesteryear’s materials against each other and 100 out of 100 times today’s wins. It’s not even remotely close. I guess if horse hair insulation, knob & tube wiring, and asbestos are your thing then maybe you are right.

Materials and labor are astronomical right now. New construction and existing construction typically move unilaterally in same market. So there is generally never an instance where one is categorically lower or higher when factoring in all the intangibles regarding a home.

While realtors jobs are to move the market, the illusion that underlying factors don’t predicate that is false. The two most determining factors being desirability and new build costs. If it now costs “x” to build a house and builder has to make “y” to profit, my job is to sell it for “y”. Existing construction in like market sees “y” price and prices there home at “z”.

As for those discussing building yourself, I don’t know of a lender who will give a construction loan without a licensed insured general contractor. If you have a buddy with his GC license he may let you use it for a small fee, but the idea that a lending institution is going to give you hundreds of thousands of dollars for you and lil T to build a house without proper license is untrue. Typically at construction requiring permits at an assessed value over 25k require a licensed & insured contractor
Posted by fishfighter
RIP
Member since Apr 2008
40026 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 6:57 am to
A local bank will do a. That is how I did it. Big banks blow. One just has to have their ducks in a row.
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