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re: Is it true that the road to hell is paved with good intentions?
Posted on 3/17/24 at 9:02 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 3/17/24 at 9:02 am to RogerTheShrubber
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No.
Its full of dumb people who think their intentions are good when they are nefarious.
"Do gooders."
Rog, nefarious would imply they don't think their intentions are good in the first place.
the saying more applies to people that mean to do good but it backfires
This post was edited on 3/17/24 at 9:03 am
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Posted on 3/17/24 at 9:02 am to RogerTheShrubber
I would argue the whole "do gooder" archetype doesn't necessarily have good intentions, they have narcissistic "look how good I am" intentions
Posted on 3/17/24 at 9:04 am to medium rare
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I would argue the whole "do gooder" archetype doesn't necessarily have good intentions, they have narcissistic "look how good I am" intentions
yeah, this fits.
it's people have that have a good goal in mind, but the way they go about it and the side effects are bad.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 9:06 am to Tigerjulie
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Tigerjulie
How you doin?
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My understanding is that the phrase has two meanings, depending on the circumstances. It can mean actions planned with good intentions, but not acted on, lead to nothing, at best, or the wrong thing happening, at worst. The second meaning, as mentioned, above, is that good intentions, in and of themselves, aren't what matters; it's the consequences of the actions that matter. Or, beware unintended consequences! Anyway, that's my take.
The actual correct answer to the question.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 9:06 am to medium rare
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I would argue the whole "do gooder" archetype doesn't necessarily have good intentions, they have narcissistic "look how good I am" intentions
I agree.
Classical conditioning projects how most things will work out. Most "do gooders" fail to undertand human nature and collective corruption.
It all stems from a desire to "do something, anything" regardless of outcome. Its to relieve guilt or feelings from themself.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 9:07 am to Corinthians420
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there are a lot of older traumatized people on this site it seems.
Trauma is a by-product of life, unfortunately. I need to re-read Viktor Frankl.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 9:12 am to Lsupimp
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
- C. S. Lewis
- C. S. Lewis
Posted on 3/17/24 at 9:20 am to RogerTheShrubber
Being a Statist means never having to say you are sorry.
2020: Free Money!!!!!
2021: More Free Money!!!!!!
2024: Not sure how this happened but thank us for that money we sent ya back in the day.
That is basically the story of modern America, played out with 1000 different “ good intentions “.
2020: Free Money!!!!!
2021: More Free Money!!!!!!
2024: Not sure how this happened but thank us for that money we sent ya back in the day.
That is basically the story of modern America, played out with 1000 different “ good intentions “.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 9:24 am to Jcorye1
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Goddamn son. I'm sorry an event happened to you that drives this much bitterness.
Mine was 10 years ago and I've recovered but I'm still pissed off about it.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 9:32 am to Corinthians420
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Rog, nefarious would imply they don't think their intentions are good in the first place.
Nah.
Look at alcohol prohibition. These prohibitionists knew it would cause a lot of damage, but it was worth it to achieve their goals.
I'm sure they have good intentions, but banning booze just creates a more dangerous black market.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 9:36 am to RogerTheShrubber
What a great quote, thanks for sharing that. It's unbelievably true as well, for instance I would tolerate certain levels of crime related to drugs over a country in Asia that executes people for smoking weed. That type of tyranny is all encompassing and completely debilitating
Posted on 3/17/24 at 9:46 am to Jimbeaux
It has a couple of applications.
Born again Christian’s talk about it a lot relative to good intentions and good works works versus faith alone. They focus more on the works.
Born agains believe that you cannot work your way to heaven and faith alone in Jesus Christ as your personal savior can get it done. Catholics believe that you must have good works in addition to faith in Jesus. Ie man cannot enter heaven by faith alone.
Born agains will tell you that hell is full of people that did good works but had no faith in Jesus.
It’s also applied as a saying for those that had good intentions but didn’t follow through. Their actions fell short. The good intentions with no follow through leads you to hell.
Born again Christian’s talk about it a lot relative to good intentions and good works works versus faith alone. They focus more on the works.
Born agains believe that you cannot work your way to heaven and faith alone in Jesus Christ as your personal savior can get it done. Catholics believe that you must have good works in addition to faith in Jesus. Ie man cannot enter heaven by faith alone.
Born agains will tell you that hell is full of people that did good works but had no faith in Jesus.
It’s also applied as a saying for those that had good intentions but didn’t follow through. Their actions fell short. The good intentions with no follow through leads you to hell.
This post was edited on 3/17/24 at 9:51 am
Posted on 3/17/24 at 9:48 am to Jimbeaux
It's referencing people who try to do good things yet make them worse.
Their intentions may be good but that doesn't mean their actions are helpful or make things better.
Their intentions may be good but that doesn't mean their actions are helpful or make things better.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 9:50 am to SlidellCajun
So you would rather someone do bad things and have faith than do good things and not? Which person would you like to be put in a room with? Someone with faith but did bad actions or someone without faith and good actions?
Posted on 3/17/24 at 10:03 am to Jimbeaux
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Is it true that the road to hell is paved with good intentions?
Ask the people who lived under communism in the 20th century.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 10:05 am to grizzlylongcut
But did the people actually leading those revolutions actually have good intentions? Or were they just trying to consolidate power? Again it's a stupid quote bc it insinuates that having bad intentions is better
Posted on 3/17/24 at 10:11 am to medium rare
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But did the people actually leading those revolutions actually have good intentions?
Communism, in theory, at face value, doesn’t seem like it’s all that bad.
So, I think when you start down the road of communism everyone has these great intentions. It’s just the whole actually having to implement communism that leads societies to the gulag archipelago.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 10:14 am to grizzlylongcut
I would argue those that led the revolutions didn't have good intentions. It was never the plan for someone like Castro to be equal to everyone else. Also like I said, the quote implies that having good intentions is a bad thing, what's the alternative?
Posted on 3/17/24 at 10:19 am to medium rare
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Also like I said, the quote implies that having good intentions is a bad thing, what's the alternative?
Read the C.S. Lewis quote that was posted earlier. It’s not that good intentions are bad. It’s the believing that your good intentions trump the liberty of others.
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I would argue those that led the revolutions didn't have good intentions. It was never the plan for someone like Castro to be equal to everyone else.
Maybe, I know that a lot of the folks that led the Communist revolution in Russia were driven by envy and revenge.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 10:25 am to Jimbeaux
Yes.
It is true.
See...
The War on Poverty
The "Tolerance" Movement
Climate Change Policies
"Equity"
Certainly, there was/is political mendacity to all of these, but if you ascribe pure intentions to them all, you cannot deny the outcomes.
It is true.
See...
The War on Poverty
The "Tolerance" Movement
Climate Change Policies
"Equity"
Certainly, there was/is political mendacity to all of these, but if you ascribe pure intentions to them all, you cannot deny the outcomes.
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