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re: Is it time to bring back Asylums?

Posted on 5/15/23 at 12:01 pm to
Posted by oleheat
Sportsman's Paradise
Member since Mar 2007
14766 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 12:01 pm to
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All of it.



So you believe the same people currently calling anyone who disagrees with their politics "Nazis" will use delicate discretion?
Posted by lsudave1
Baton Metairie
Member since Jan 2005
12227 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 12:07 pm to
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The left would be stuffing these asylums full of parents under charges of "transphobia" if they had it their way.


I am by no means a leftist but I don’t think this is true. I think the state hospitals have to lower their criteria for admitting patients, and these hospitals need to be funded more appropriately. Right now the state hospitals are pretty much reserved for the criminally insane meanwhile smaller private inpatient hospitals like the one where I work are full of many nonviolent patients who are just as much in need of care as the dangerous ones.

On top of that, we also receive tons of violent patients who haven’t killed anyone (yet) so the state hospital won’t take them. We don’t even have security so it becomes the responsibility of male workers like myself to restrain patients and protect the staff and others from them. The whole system is fricked.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27762 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 12:10 pm to
I’ve brought this up before.

With gun reform talk after every mass shooting, mental health reform is discussed. People never mention Asylum/Sanitariums. But they are mentioning them without mentioning it. No reform can be made without knowing that some will have to be warehoused. You are either ok with people walking free who are insane or you aren’t.

Best case scenario they are a homeless blight. Some crazy man hallucinating and wearing an extension cord belt. Worst case is they murder people.

They will ALWAYS come off of their meds.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
75243 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 12:18 pm to
Homelessness should be the guise under which these facilities come back into style. Instead of living and dying in the streets like a stray animal, they have a nice cozy safe space and 24 hour supervised care for their mental illness.
Posted by Rabby
Member since Mar 2021
1708 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 12:25 pm to
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Conservatives(Regan) closed all the mental institutions
Please show us your source for this BS assertion.
Actually, the trend began under JFK and for complicated reasons, some of which made a degree of sense. It escalated under Carter and again, the reasoning had some merit and also major problems.
Reagan did contribute to a few steps both as governor of California and as POTUS for civil liberty reasons, budget issues and in compliance with court rulings.
It was far more complicated than any particular party having an agenda so stop with the partisan talking points.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27762 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 12:53 pm to
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Please show us your source for this BS assertion.


It became unsustainable. Maybe Reagan put the final nail in the coffin? I don’t know what he was referring to. As you mention it was a process over about 3-4 presidency’s. These facilities were state run or were university run and were kept alive with donations. Some were donation only. Some were of course run horribly. These were the bad apples that ruined a system that HAD a function.

Public opinion turned. People got abused. The process of committals got abused and misused. People who donated no longer wanted to be associated places like that. So places got worse and worse.

Health care reform will take BILLIONS. Billions to build facilities by todays standards. Billions to house and feed. Billions to staff.

Leaving things “as is” will just look uglier and uglier. With murder and tent cities in what we’re once nice places.

San Diego is not San Fransisco but going to SD in 2008 and 2018 it was very noticeable. Austin. San Antonio. There is not even an attempt to curb it. And I get why. Why tie up jail space with homeless people who will just stink it up? What cop wants a homeless guy in their car? Ever? But they are allowed to creep into or takeover prime tourism real estate and jewels of some locations. Balboa Park, The Riverwalk, Downtown Austin, The Alamo, NOLA gave up long ago.
Posted by USMCguy121
Northshore
Member since Aug 2021
6332 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 7:15 pm to
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The left would be stuffing these asylums full of parents under charges of "transphobia" if they had it their way.



You have this belief that the left would be the only ones making these decisions. Allow me to assure you that this is not the case.



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Leaving things “as is” will just look uglier and uglier. With murder and tent cities in what we’re once nice places.


Weak men create hard times. Kinda surprised how many people here favor the status quo of things just getting worse and worse.
This post was edited on 5/15/23 at 7:17 pm
Posted by WhiskeyThief
Madisonville
Member since Oct 2018
684 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 6:17 am to
I grew up in Calcasieu Parish,
Going to Pineville was the phrase
Posted by GeauxWrek
Somewhere b/w Houston and BR
Member since Sep 2010
5022 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 6:20 am to
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Think for a minute about who gets to decide if someone should be committed.
You mean like prisons today? Cuz only certain people are sent to prison now so how would that be any different?
Posted by lepdagod
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
6039 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 6:33 am to
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Please show us your source for this BS assertion


The Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981, signed by President Ronald Reagan on August 13, 1981, repealed most of the Mental Health Systems Act.


Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79819 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 6:52 am to
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The Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981, signed by President Ronald Reagan on August 13, 1981, repealed most of the Mental Health Systems Act
The push for community treatment was headed way down the road long before that. He went with the current. There are fine lines with this topic when you talk of individual rights and institutionalization. Difficult balance.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
134530 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:24 am to
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About a half dozen kids I saw were wearing earmuffs.
does she go to school in Siberia?


Posted by nola tiger lsu
Member since Nov 2007
7349 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:55 am to
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There are fine lines with this topic when you talk of individual rights and institutionalization


This thinking is why we cant put away the people who shouldnt be walking amongst us.
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