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Posted on 5/15/23 at 12:07 pm to tiggerthetooth
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The left would be stuffing these asylums full of parents under charges of "transphobia" if they had it their way.
I am by no means a leftist but I don’t think this is true. I think the state hospitals have to lower their criteria for admitting patients, and these hospitals need to be funded more appropriately. Right now the state hospitals are pretty much reserved for the criminally insane meanwhile smaller private inpatient hospitals like the one where I work are full of many nonviolent patients who are just as much in need of care as the dangerous ones.
On top of that, we also receive tons of violent patients who haven’t killed anyone (yet) so the state hospital won’t take them. We don’t even have security so it becomes the responsibility of male workers like myself to restrain patients and protect the staff and others from them. The whole system is fricked.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 12:10 pm to Prisms
I’ve brought this up before.
With gun reform talk after every mass shooting, mental health reform is discussed. People never mention Asylum/Sanitariums. But they are mentioning them without mentioning it. No reform can be made without knowing that some will have to be warehoused. You are either ok with people walking free who are insane or you aren’t.
Best case scenario they are a homeless blight. Some crazy man hallucinating and wearing an extension cord belt. Worst case is they murder people.
They will ALWAYS come off of their meds.
With gun reform talk after every mass shooting, mental health reform is discussed. People never mention Asylum/Sanitariums. But they are mentioning them without mentioning it. No reform can be made without knowing that some will have to be warehoused. You are either ok with people walking free who are insane or you aren’t.
Best case scenario they are a homeless blight. Some crazy man hallucinating and wearing an extension cord belt. Worst case is they murder people.
They will ALWAYS come off of their meds.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 12:18 pm to LSU alum wannabe
Homelessness should be the guise under which these facilities come back into style. Instead of living and dying in the streets like a stray animal, they have a nice cozy safe space and 24 hour supervised care for their mental illness.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 12:25 pm to lepdagod
quote:Please show us your source for this BS assertion.
Conservatives(Regan) closed all the mental institutions
Actually, the trend began under JFK and for complicated reasons, some of which made a degree of sense. It escalated under Carter and again, the reasoning had some merit and also major problems.
Reagan did contribute to a few steps both as governor of California and as POTUS for civil liberty reasons, budget issues and in compliance with court rulings.
It was far more complicated than any particular party having an agenda so stop with the partisan talking points.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 12:53 pm to Rabby
quote:
Please show us your source for this BS assertion.
It became unsustainable. Maybe Reagan put the final nail in the coffin? I don’t know what he was referring to. As you mention it was a process over about 3-4 presidency’s. These facilities were state run or were university run and were kept alive with donations. Some were donation only. Some were of course run horribly. These were the bad apples that ruined a system that HAD a function.
Public opinion turned. People got abused. The process of committals got abused and misused. People who donated no longer wanted to be associated places like that. So places got worse and worse.
Health care reform will take BILLIONS. Billions to build facilities by todays standards. Billions to house and feed. Billions to staff.
Leaving things “as is” will just look uglier and uglier. With murder and tent cities in what we’re once nice places.
San Diego is not San Fransisco but going to SD in 2008 and 2018 it was very noticeable. Austin. San Antonio. There is not even an attempt to curb it. And I get why. Why tie up jail space with homeless people who will just stink it up? What cop wants a homeless guy in their car? Ever? But they are allowed to creep into or takeover prime tourism real estate and jewels of some locations. Balboa Park, The Riverwalk, Downtown Austin, The Alamo, NOLA gave up long ago.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 7:15 pm to tiggerthetooth
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The left would be stuffing these asylums full of parents under charges of "transphobia" if they had it their way.
You have this belief that the left would be the only ones making these decisions. Allow me to assure you that this is not the case.
quote:
Leaving things “as is” will just look uglier and uglier. With murder and tent cities in what we’re once nice places.
Weak men create hard times. Kinda surprised how many people here favor the status quo of things just getting worse and worse.
This post was edited on 5/15/23 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 5/16/23 at 6:17 am to fightin tigers
I grew up in Calcasieu Parish,
Going to Pineville was the phrase
Going to Pineville was the phrase
Posted on 5/16/23 at 6:20 am to Tyga Woods
quote:You mean like prisons today? Cuz only certain people are sent to prison now so how would that be any different?
Think for a minute about who gets to decide if someone should be committed.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 6:33 am to Rabby
quote:
Please show us your source for this BS assertion
The Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981, signed by President Ronald Reagan on August 13, 1981, repealed most of the Mental Health Systems Act.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 6:52 am to lepdagod
quote:The push for community treatment was headed way down the road long before that. He went with the current. There are fine lines with this topic when you talk of individual rights and institutionalization. Difficult balance.
The Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981, signed by President Ronald Reagan on August 13, 1981, repealed most of the Mental Health Systems Act
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:24 am to fightin tigers
quote:does she go to school in Siberia?
About a half dozen kids I saw were wearing earmuffs.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:55 am to Jake88
quote:
There are fine lines with this topic when you talk of individual rights and institutionalization
This thinking is why we cant put away the people who shouldnt be walking amongst us.
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