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re: Is it more difficult to become an airline pilot or a fighter pilot?
Posted on 12/5/24 at 3:16 pm to FredbullTN
Posted on 12/5/24 at 3:16 pm to FredbullTN
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This is true. I know two brothers that wanted to be pilots. One joined the Air Force and ended up as a AF dentist and the other joined the Navy and ended up as a hornet pilot.
I'd rather be a straight dentist than a gay hornet pilot.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 3:17 pm to RockinRobin1955
I don't think you have much of a shot at a seat in a fighter if you dont go through Air Force/Naval academy.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 3:18 pm to RockinRobin1955
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Currently going to a university and looking at a career in aviation. I’ve always been fascinated with Air Force fighter pilots and have always wanted to be in the cockpit of an F-22. Airline pilots are equally impressive though as flying and landing a jumbo jet is no easy task.
Call your congressman and see if you can get a nomination and transfer to the Air Force Academy. That'll get you on your way faster than a standard university.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 3:19 pm to baldona
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My dad's a pilot and one of my best friends so...
So you've been in the cockpit with him?

Posted on 12/5/24 at 3:26 pm to RolltidePA
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Call your congressman and see if you can get a nomination and transfer to the Air Force Academy
The time to do this is when you’re a junior in HS. Getting in the academy is not easy.
My son is graduating this year and entering the only aviation program in SC which is Charleston Southern. I’ve encouraged him to consider the military but he has cold feet even though the recruiters loved him (HS football player in great shape) and he blew out his tests.
I’ll end up footing the bill for his training in college but hopefully he’ll eventually realize that getting paid to rack up hours is better than paying for it and reconsider the military option.
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 12/5/24 at 3:37 pm to RockinRobin1955
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I’ve always heard that becoming an airline pilot for one of the big four airlines (Delta, Southwest, United, American) is super difficult and arguably harder than becoming a fighter pilot in the Air Force. Is this true? Just wanted some opinions.
Depends on your definition of “difficult”
I don’t have military flying experience, but becoming an airline pilot comes down to two things, time and money.
Starting at zero hours it’s about a 3.5-4 year journey to get all certificates, endorsements, and flights time (minimums) to even be sniffed by the *regional* airlines. You wont be flying for a major until you’ve spent time in the left seat of the small jets for a few years at least.
Cost these days will run ~100k to get you to previously stated minimums. Could be a few thousand, give or take, but that depends on how often you fly and how well you retain the training material.
As far as material goes. It’s about as difficult as any professional training goes. I tell people it’s about as difficult as a four year university. You’ll need to actually sit down and study the stuff to pass check rides and eventually get hired.
For those who coast through and never really learn the material, they will be exposed through several check ride failures which will make it harder (if not impossible) to go to the airlines.
What a lot of people don’t realize as well is the ebb and flow of the industry. 8 months ago, if you could write your name correctly and you had 1500 hours you could get hired.
Now, you have to jump through more hoops than you can fathom and even then, they only take the best candidates.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 3:40 pm to RockinRobin1955
There are way more airline pilots than fighter pilots. Bomber, transport and logistical air craft folks probably make up the bulk of ex military airline pilots.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 3:41 pm to RolltidePA
quote:This means starting over as a freshman
Call your congressman and see if you can get a nomination and transfer to the Air Force Academy.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 3:46 pm to choupiquesushi
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This means starting over as a freshman
That's a sacrifice to make if your goal is to fly fighter jets. Everything has costs or consequences.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:01 pm to 0x15E
I work on the C130J program in Marietta GA. I would say military 99% of the pilot’s retire and then go to Delta. I also knew another guy that went to civilian pilot school. He racked up 125 grand in flight school. Last time I talked to him he is flying right seat (co-pilot) CRJ700, because he never got a college degree.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:07 pm to jcaz
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Becoming a major airline pilot is way more likely because all you need is time and money.
maybe if you're a non-white, non-male, otherwise that's a load of crap
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:10 pm to the4thgen
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I don't think you have much of a shot at a seat in a fighter if you dont go through Air Force/Naval academy.
this is absolutely not accurate. i know a lot of fighter pilots and a huge chunk of them went to shithole state schools you've never even heard of. going to an academy definitely helps your chances, but it is definitely not a major disqualifier if you dont.
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:13 pm to baldona
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My dad's a pilot and one of my best friends so...
I remember about 20 years ago one of my wife's younger cousins was arguing with me about a basic legal issue. After 5 minutes of me explaining why she was wrong, she had to remind me her father was an attorney seemingly forgetting she was talking to an attorney. This strikes me just like that.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:17 pm to RockinRobin1955
Have you ever set a piano on fire?
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:18 pm to SquatchDawg
As far as the free military option goes. You can also do a non flying job in the guard or Active duty and get most of the cost of civilian training paid for while your in or after you get out also. (Try to get one that’s related (air traffic, mechanic, etc)
This is sometimes a better option to become a pilot.
Most military pilots aren’t getting many flight hours, and I’ve seen some after 10+ years get out with as much flight time as a kid one year out of civilian school. You won’t be walking into an airline job.
This is sometimes a better option to become a pilot.
Most military pilots aren’t getting many flight hours, and I’ve seen some after 10+ years get out with as much flight time as a kid one year out of civilian school. You won’t be walking into an airline job.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:19 pm to Obtuse1
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This strikes me just like that.
yep, no disrespect to his dad but it sounds like his dad is a career military pilot with no intention of getting out and no real knowledge of the airline industry, and repeats cliches he's heard other guys in his same position say and the son is taking it as gospel
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:22 pm to RockinRobin1955
Pretty strict vision requirement for military pilots not sure exactly but uncorrected 20/20 I think
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:25 pm to matsuflex
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I’ve seen some after 10+ years get out with as much flight time as a kid one year out of civilian school.
civilian rating requirements, ATP specifically, are reducible by half of civilian requirements for mil trained pilots
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You won’t be walking into an airline job.
if you're military trained you most certainly will be given preference, of course DEI is a major factor right now
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:26 pm to derp
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Pretty strict vision requirement for military pilots not sure exactly but uncorrected 20/20 I think
Back in my day, it was uncorrected. Now, I believe it can be corrected 20/20.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:35 pm to nobigdeal69
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Similar story as my sister. She went to the Naval Academy with dreams of being a pilot. Didn't happen for her, and she ended up being an NFO on an E-2 Hawkeye. Not very glamourous.
The line of people that went in to the Navy wanting to be Maverick but ended up being Goose is endless. An equally large number that wanted Tomcats or Hornets ended up in unglamorous E-2/C-2 jobs, or P-3/E-8 jobs, which is basically flying airliners in circles over the drink that carry mines, sonobuoys, and torpedoes. Sub hunting is dreary duty. And then theres the line of guys that dreamed of jets but were shuffled off to helos. One thing about the Air Force… you may end up in a C-130 or a converted airliner, but there’s precious little chance you'll end up in their tiny helicopter community.
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