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re: Is it acceptable to wear Civil War garb in public?
Posted on 2/7/20 at 4:09 pm to Lima Whiskey
Posted on 2/7/20 at 4:09 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Where centralized state power was seen as a social good in New England, a tool to correct behavior, it was seen as a threat to personal liberty in the south.
One small example of the cultural difference, in the north charity (welfare) was considered the responsibility of the state. In the south, it was a personal, and communal obligation
Still true today
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Posted on 2/7/20 at 4:25 pm to RollTide1987
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Imagine an election where a party comes out of nowhere and espouses views that directly contradict what you believe in and what you live for. Then imagine that your state and all the other states that think as you do don't even put that party's candidate on the ballot. Then imagine your shock when you find out that candidate still won the election despite winning less than 40% of the popular vote. That party is now in control of the national government despite the fact that you, no one you know, nor the other states surrounding your own didn't cast a single vote for the guy.
The electoral college rebukes the popular vote by design. It's one of the many arguments we face even over the 2016 election.
It was AND STILL IS very possible to win the national election with only 40% of the vote. State electors are all that matter, not the population.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 5:15 pm to volod
The electoral college is the only way to make the popular vote relevant to people in every state.
And, yes, a candidate could still win with 40% of the vote, but it’s not very often that there are three viable candidates in modern America. The only reason Lincoln won the 1860 election is because he had Douglass over a barrel on the slavery issue.
And, yes, a candidate could still win with 40% of the vote, but it’s not very often that there are three viable candidates in modern America. The only reason Lincoln won the 1860 election is because he had Douglass over a barrel on the slavery issue.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 5:37 pm to deathvalleyfreak43
I see an ironic hipster wearing one almost everyday in Nashville
Posted on 2/7/20 at 5:42 pm to volod
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The electoral college rebukes the popular vote by design.
That's hardly the point of the exercise. They knew that back then and we all know it now. The point is...no one in the South voted for Lincoln because Lincoln represented a direct threat to their way of life (even though the cornerstone of that way of life was despicable).
Lincoln did not win a single electoral vote south of the Mason-Dixon. Breckenridge won the Deep South and Maryland while Bell won Tennessee, Kentucky, and Virginia. Douglas won Missouri. Lincoln won the northern states, Oregon and California.
Combine that with all of the turmoil and violence that led up that election with events such as Bleeding Kansas and John Brown's raid, it makes perfect sense why the South seceded from the Union. They no longer felt part of the United States nor did they feel like they were being represented in the government.
This post was edited on 2/7/20 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 2/7/20 at 6:12 pm to Nobelium
quote:That is completely irrelevant from the southern perspective. Southerners were fighting to keep slaves. At the very least, they were fighting for a system of "states rights" which meant, by definition, that the horrors of institutional, chattel slavery would continue.
Kids from Massachusetts and Ohio didn't sign up to die in Virginia because they wanted to free the slaves.
And the states rights trope is basically bullshite too. The south certainly didn't seem to mind the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT passing the Fugitive Slave Act - an near entire breach of state sovereignty for the northern states who were forced to catch and deport southern slaves.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 6:14 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Right. For instance, the south's happy passing of the Fugitive Slave Act.
The 1850s were a rough, divisive and violent decade for the United States.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 6:16 pm to Big Scrub TX
Does it count if my GF puts on a johnny reb hat and I dress up like Grant and spank her?
Posted on 2/7/20 at 6:40 pm to TT9
Very nice. I too like to rep W.T. Sherman, the first president of my beloved Louisiana State University! Bonus: he fought for the good guys!
Posted on 2/7/20 at 7:06 pm to LSU03
Reading a book now about Unionists in Alabama. Three of my ancestors rode in the 1st Ala Loyalist Cavalry. The unit ended up as Sherman’s escort on the March to the Sea.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 7:12 pm to GeauxVols
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Reading a book now about Unionists in Alabama. Three of my ancestors rode in the 1st Ala Loyalist Cavalry. The unit ended up as Sherman’s escort on the March to the Sea.
Damn, that's awesome man.
I need to learn more about my ancestors' links to the Civil War. I know my maternal grandmother's great uncle (or something) was the lieutenant governor of Louisiana during the war and apparently my maternal grandfather is somehow descended from US Grant (according to him, a proud WWII Army vet). I surely had some basic union and/or confederate soldier ancestors too.
How did you go about finding out about your ancestors besides just word of mouth from family members like in my case?
Posted on 2/7/20 at 7:16 pm to Chef Free Gold Bloom
That’s one of the reasons I chose that example.
I don’t we’ve changed all that much.
I don’t we’ve changed all that much.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 7:28 pm to lsu2006
Get names & birth dates of grandparents & great grandparents, then dig in on Ancestry or other sites. Ancestry has some military service info, but generally limited. Fold3 is great once you have an idea who served. Fascinating stuff.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 7:47 pm to volod
quote:Inanimate objects and conceptual constructs cannot rebuke anything.
The electoral college rebukes the popular vote by design.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 7:56 pm to GetCocky11
The War of 1812 was deeply unpopular in the North East. Massachusetts refused to provide troops to support the war, and Madison responded by refusing to protect them from British depredations.
LINK
The governor of Massachusetts actually reached out to the British to negotiate terms.
The Hartford Convention in 1814 was created to discuss secession. The Federalists lost their courage though.
LINK
The governor of Massachusetts actually reached out to the British to negotiate terms.
The Hartford Convention in 1814 was created to discuss secession. The Federalists lost their courage though.
This post was edited on 2/7/20 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 2/7/20 at 8:22 pm to GeauxVols
Appreciate the info. I'll have to look into both of those 
Posted on 2/7/20 at 8:23 pm to Lima Whiskey
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The War of 1812 was deeply unpopular in the North East
Daniel Webster nearly drove New England to secede from the Union over the War of 1812. Or at least he publicly made arguments that tended to support it and the notion that it was constitutional to do so. Later he would obviously change his tune a bit.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 9:03 pm to deathvalleyfreak43
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Through out this past football season I have worn my LSU #7 jersey and a traditional grey Kepi
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I made it through the entire season without any comments/issues until the SEC championship game. I went to a friends house to watch it
Hope you wore that stuff to a bunch of parties at people's houses, and not to Tiger Stadium. Until you said you went to a friend's house to watch the SEC Championship, I thought you were going to tell us the people in the Atlanta stadium wouldn't let you wear it.
An LSU jersey and that hat is an odd combo to wear to a game, but it's even odder to wear to someone's house to watch a game. Keep being you though.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 9:28 pm to dbeck
Hahahaha thank you dbeck I needed that laugh bad man. That Walter Sobchak GIF is perfect for this thread.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 12:17 pm to Lima Whiskey
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The Hartford Convention in 1814 was created to discuss secession. The Federalists lost their courage though.
The Federalists were also destroyed as a political party by that convention.
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