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re: Is going vegan the only ethical option?

Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:41 pm to
Posted by epbart
new york city
Member since Mar 2005
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:41 pm to
There are definite benefits to going vegetarian, like a few have said, and it's not overly difficult. Vegan is tougher to do well and stay healthy. A lot of produce has morphed (GMO) to be less nutritious than it used to naturally be.

A good way to transition if interested is to do mostly vegetarian and try to make the meats you eat organ meats. Organ meats tend to be more nutritious (that's why old school body builders ate liver & liver pills as much as they did). And perhaps supplement with bone broth.

Regarding environmental impact of farming in general, and of livestock especially, I think big agricultural companies (Monsanto, ADM, etc.) have made things worse than they need to be. Don't know if they initially knew the problems they were causing; the control they have and $ they make are the obvious reasons they're reluctant to improve things.

But I think it can be done better. Joel Salatin is a rather interesting figure and pioneer in terms of farming livestock more naturally. Pioneer is probably a funny way to say it... it's undoubtedly riffing on old ways, at least in part. He has a way of rotating animals (I think chickens being rotated into areas where cows were to eat insects, or similar, is an example) that results in healthier animals without antibiotics, and the land is cleaner and not depleted the way it becomes in standard big farms.

Hard to do his ideas justice in a post without writing a novel. Here's a couple of fascinating (imho) podcasts with Joel Salatin for those interested:

Joe Rogan show 479

with Ben Greenfield (episode titled, The Pigness of Pigs)

Posted by Breesus
Unplug
Member since Jan 2010
69549 posts
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:43 pm to
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Eating meat not only unnecessarily kills creatures with consciousness


I agree. Those dick headed lions always fricking up Antelopes.

We really should completely eradicate every carnivorous species on the planet
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:53 pm to
Yuppie scum.
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 2/19/18 at 8:00 pm to
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I don't think I could find enough vegan foods that I like. A meal isn't a meal to me without some sort of meat. I guess I'll die young


I thought that myself. Then a loaded a soup filled with beans and vegetables, ate it for 5 days just to see how I felt, and holy shite, joints stopped hurting, acid reflux went away, and had a ton of energy. The soup I made ended up having roughly 30g of protein and 15g of fiber per serving and was delicious. I made it spicy with peppers, added some cold pressed olive oil, and was absolutely satisfied.

I do eat fish on occasion, but man, beans/vegetables/nuts added ten years to my life at least. I'm 31 and feel 18.

ETA: for my snacks I eat fruit and/or nuts. I have never been as satisfied. I am hooked.

Going vegan doesn't mean you can't ever eat meat. You just don't eat often. I did it strictly for the health benefits, and it's actually cheaper to feed yourself with. Also doesn't hurt I lost bad weight along the way.
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 8:05 pm
Posted by MeridianDog
Home on the range
Member since Nov 2010
14539 posts
Posted on 2/19/18 at 8:24 pm to
But Brisket!



I'm thinking no vegan for me.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
133550 posts
Posted on 2/19/18 at 8:25 pm to
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Going vegan doesn't mean you can't ever eat meat.


That’s like saying being a straight male doesn’t mean you can’t suck dick.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
78173 posts
Posted on 2/19/18 at 8:36 pm to
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A diet consisting of beans, vegetables, and nuts can actually reverse heart disease,
That diet is ridiculously strict. No oils or nuts allowed. No meat, dairy, eggs, fish or fruit juice.
Posted by Derrick From Texas
Sacramento
Member since Aug 2016
357 posts
Posted on 2/19/18 at 9:04 pm to
YOU....are a HORRIBLE person. bears eat blueberries...proving once again that anyone who eats meat is worse than an animal!!!
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62486 posts
Posted on 2/19/18 at 9:08 pm to
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Going vegan doesn't mean you can't ever eat meat.


That’s pretty much the definition of being vegan.
Posted by djmicrobe
Planet Earth
Member since Jan 2007
4970 posts
Posted on 2/19/18 at 9:25 pm to
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It leads to more carbon emissions etc


Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. Now write that 1000 times.
God gave man dominion over the animals. If we want to eat them, then eat them. Human bodies were designed to consume vitamins and minerals from fruits, vegetables, and animals. Typically, vegans do not get enough iron in their diet. Red meat is high in iron. eat some red meat each week.
Taking vitamin/mineral supplements are necessary if you do not get enough of them in your daily diet. Your body absorbs vitamins/minerals form food sources much better than vitamin/mineral supplements. There are certain supplements that the body does not absorb much at all.
Cook your meals at home eat some salads, but eat red meat each week.
A lack of iron will cause a person to get tired often.
Posted by starsandstripes
Georgia
Member since Nov 2017
11897 posts
Posted on 2/19/18 at 9:27 pm to
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CommoDawg


Almost as bad as rex
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
133550 posts
Posted on 2/19/18 at 9:32 pm to
I’m a vegan that supplements my diet with natural occurring sources of the nutrients I need.

Sources like beef,venison, crustaceans, poultry, fowl, pork, and fish, milk and eggs.

They’re organic!
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 2/19/18 at 9:43 pm to
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That’s like saying being a straight male doesn’t mean you can’t suck dick.


Not true. If you're just looking to say "hey I'm a vegan", sure, you can't eat meat. But if you adapt your lifestyle to eat mostly a vegan diet, frick what anyone says if you want a steak every once in a while.
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 2/19/18 at 9:44 pm to
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That’s pretty much the definition of being vegan.



Again, if you're just looking for a label, sure. But if you're looking for a healthier diet, eating mostly vegan will most definitely improve your health.
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 2/19/18 at 9:56 pm to
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That diet is ridiculously strict. No oils or nuts allowed. No meat, dairy, eggs, fish or fruit juice.




Not true, you can have both oils and nuts. They just have to be of the unrefined, plant based variety.
Posted by epbart
new york city
Member since Mar 2005
3186 posts
Posted on 2/19/18 at 9:58 pm to
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AUsteriskPride


I think fr33 was just messing with you, so he could slide a dick joke in there.

Labels (vegan, vegetarian, etc.) are just labels and don't matter, which I think is your point. But for people who are sticklers about such things, probably preferable for a person to say they eat "mostly" vegetarian (or vegan) but make periodic allowances, which they can explain/justify as they see fit.


Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
133550 posts
Posted on 2/20/18 at 4:51 am to
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But if you adapt your lifestyle to eat mostly a vegan diet, frick what anyone says if you want a steak every once in a while.



Vegans would flip out and disown you. You’re just a guy who doesn’t eat a lot of meat
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
59146 posts
Posted on 2/20/18 at 4:56 am to
People definitely need to eat less meat. I'm not going to, but everyone else should.
Posted by mofungoo
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2012
4583 posts
Posted on 2/20/18 at 5:50 am to
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Give quinoa a chance!

No fricking way. Quinoa is birdseed, bruh.
Posted by Lobo Apple Sauce
Member since Sep 2014
393 posts
Posted on 2/20/18 at 10:02 am to
Idahoan® Baby Reds® Mashed Potatoes and quinoa are the bomb.

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