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re: Investigators When they KNEW Murdaugh lied (Page 112)

Posted on 2/27/23 at 3:05 pm to
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 3:05 pm to
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It would’ve been difficult for someone to shoot Paul two times with a shotgun from inside the feed room at close range and still have the wherewithal to switch to the rifle and shoot Maggie several times in such a small time frame.


Very possible. Just not sure who those 2 people would be, and how they would have been there without alerting the dog.

I do think he could have shot Paul once, that surprised Maggie, she came to see, shot Maggie with rifle, then went back and finished Paul off with the head shot.

Or even shot him both times, with Maggie being clueless, then grabbed the rifle and killed her. But for me, it's all speculation. Either way, IMO only, I do think AM was involved in the murders, one way or the other.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 3:06 pm to
What kind of hit men wouldn't bring their own guns to site? Doesn't pass muster.
Posted by Cajunhawk81
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 3:11 pm to
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I just don't understand how they would have known they would both be there at that time. From what I've heard in testimony, the only person that knew they were there is Alex M. He's the one that called Maggie and told her to come to the pens.


Putting on my tinfoil hat, going with the conspiracy that AM is in deep in some drug ring, that might have been AM's entire reason for getting Maggie to the Moselle property that night. I think AM thought he could talk his way out of having PauPau executed before going to trial, and he failed and cost Maggie her life. I think his 911 call is genuine, for at least the panic he was in.
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 3:13 pm to
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What kind of hit men wouldn't bring their own guns to site? Doesn't pass muster.

Good point.
Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 3:15 pm to
Maybe I missed details of the two guns in court testimony?

Am I remembering correctly that there was a long, wide, wooden open gun rack at the kennels or shop-- with a lot of guns that were all most likely loaded?

Is it possible the shooter walked to the gun rack and grabbed the second gun and shot Maggie?

Also: Another mystery is the shooter being 5 Ft 2. Or did they def say it could have been an angle from a kneeled shooters stance?

Did the witness today basically change that Paw Paw was shot at point blank range in the head? Barrel to the head?

All of the brain matter on the ceiling door frame says the shooter would have had to have blood and content on their clothes.

Also the puddle of water in the pics. The Kennel keeper said he wrapped the hose. So the shooter used the hose?



Maggies phone was thrown how far in on the side of the road?

Posted by kj993
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 3:29 pm to
Pretty sure I heard a water hose in the background of the Snapchat kennel video. I know AM testified that no one was using a water hose that he remember at that time… but my ears hear otherwise
Posted by Yellerhammer5
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 3:31 pm to
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He was the one that moved the boat for the Murdaughs after Paul's boat crash in 2019 instead of letting it stay at the scene of the crime. He's just as crooked as the rest of them.


Is this from a documentary? Did they say whether he was asked to remove the boat or was reprimanded afterwards? I’ve only seen the HBO documentary, and it was incredibly biased and most of the interviewees knew nothing more than the Reddit detectives “working” the Murdaugh crimes.
Posted by NCIS_76
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 3:37 pm to
Does SC have the death penalty?
Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 3:41 pm to
it's crazy but if AM preplanned the hired hit...

he would tell the killer to grab a gun from the rack and came in via a hunting trail on a ATV.

but your point blows this theory as the dogs would go insane; but would it matter as they were very rural on 1700 acres?

AM couldn't shoot a lame/hurt dog. how could he shoot his son & wife point blank?

also if a death sentence was ever brought into it, would AM confess a hit or he killed them to get back to the life sentence?
Posted by SoonerK
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 3:42 pm to
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Does SC have the death penalty?

The Prosecution is seeking Life without Parole.
Posted by NCIS_76
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 3:44 pm to
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The Prosecution is seeking Life without Parole.


That’s too soft.

Life without parole, really? Why even consider?
This post was edited on 2/27/23 at 3:46 pm
Posted by TomJoadGhost
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 3:45 pm to
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Is this from a documentary? Did they say whether he was asked to remove the boat or was reprimanded afterwards?


It was talked about in the Netflix one. There were multiple calls between him and one of the Murdaughs after the boat accident. They didn’t come out and say it, but heavily implied it was arranged between the Murdaughs and law enforcement to remove it.
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 3:50 pm to
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he would tell the killer to grab a gun from the rack and came in via a hunting trail on a ATV.

Are you saying assuming that AM didn't? Because I believe he certainly could have.
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but your point blows this theory as the dogs would go insane; but would it matter as they were very rural on 1700 acres?

It would have mattered in that it possibly would have tipped off Maggie and Paul that something was amiss, and given them opportunity to run away.
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AM couldn't shoot a lame/hurt dog.

How could you possibly know this? He was a certifiable liar. He lied to everyone.
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how could he shoot his son & wife point blank?

How could he bilk a quadriplegic out of his settlement? People do crazy things, especially when, in his words, he was an opiate addict that was paranoid.
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also if a death sentence was ever brought into it, would AM confess a hit or he killed them to get back to the life sentence?


I don't know. But I'll be honest, even if I found him guilty, which I think he is, I probably wouldn't vote for the death penalty. I would do life. I just would not feel comfortable with the death sentence. I personally don't think there's reasonable doubt, but I don't think it's enough of a slam dunk to give him death. That's just me.
Posted by MBclass83
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 3:59 pm to
When I read "how could a father kill his own son", I think of Chris Watts in Texas who killed both his young daughters and put them in some storage tank. So, it happens all the time, unfortunately. I think he's guilty as hell but I wouldn't give him the death penalty. That's to easy on him.
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 4:03 pm to
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When I read "how could a father kill his own son", I think of Chris Watts in Texas who killed both his young daughters and put them in some storage tank.

Thinking about that makes me want to vomit.

And from all accounts, he seemed to be a fairly normal father. I'll never understand that case as long as I live.
Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 4:20 pm to
Agreed with the life part if I am on the jury. It came out somewhere, article, court, don't recall... That he had the caretaker shoot one of the lame/hurt dogs.

But yeah, that could be something someone asks because they pay the caretaker.

The 80 miles per hour on a potholed dirt road and 40 ish around where Maggie's phone was found, is telling.

No doubt he never thought his voice calling Bubba would be found out.

So

-he ordered all 3 of them murdered-maybe not it failed with cousin Eddie?

-murder/suicide and he chickened out?

-a cartel/cowboys hit because Maggie ordered a forensic audit?

-people that hated Paul did it to avenge the dead boat girls death?

he was there, so he heard gun shots or created them.

somehow i don't think he thought he would be alive to go to jail.
Posted by TDsngumbo
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 4:26 pm to
What’s the story with himoingast then slower where Maggie’s phone was found? I heard about this a little today but not a lot of details.
Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 4:27 pm to
I looked it up

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That afternoon, Chris vowed to tell police the truth if he could talk to his father first. Investigators took a gamble and allowed him to do so, and it worked: Chris confessed to his father that he had killed his wife. Not long after, investigators found Shanann, Bella, and Celeste's bodies exactly where Chris said they were: at an Anadarko Petroleum site, with Shanann's body in a shallow grave and the two girls' bodies in oil tanks.
All because he was having an affair?
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 4:32 pm to
Just that it would make sense if you’re hauling arse 80 mph on a poor quality road, if you needed to throw a phone out the window, you would most likely slow down to lower the window and take a hand off the wheel to toss.

And coincidentally, the tracking of either his phone or vehicle revealed at the point he slowed down on the road, that’s where they found the wife’s phone tossed onto the side of the road.
Posted by TDsngumbo
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 4:53 pm to
Yep, that looks bad.

My thoughts are as follows:
There are an awful lot of coincidences and lying involved in this case. Alex Murdaugh appears to be one fricked go individual, no doubt about that. But did he murder his wife and kids? It looks that way but I, as a casual observer, haven’t seen enough to 100% convince me. I am, however, leaning towards him being involved just not directly as the person who pulled the trigger. I wouldn’t be surprised with a not guilty verdict.
This post was edited on 2/27/23 at 4:54 pm
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