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re: Inside story of the Nagasaki mission
Posted on 8/5/15 at 11:52 pm to Pkin
Posted on 8/5/15 at 11:52 pm to Pkin
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I've been to the beaches of Normandy and to the American cemetery there. I've also been to Pearl Harbor and to Japan. I don't live in a box and drink the American History Book Koolaide. I know what happened there.
Seriously? And you wonder why people laugh at the thought of an american female president. Dumbass.
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Posted on 8/5/15 at 11:54 pm to Pkin
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Nothing on the scale of Hiroshima or Nagasaki ever happened to the U.S.
Maybe becuase in 1945 we showed the world what happens when you pull our tail.
Of course, nowadays we have tree huggers like you preventing our military from keeping order like we did in the 1940s.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 11:55 pm to Napoleon
Obviously I'm not "ok" with the fire bombings... Or any of the other war crimes.
But arguing that causing hundreds of thousands of innocent people to die of radiation poisoning isnt as bad as slaughtering groups in other ways is just absurd. It was definitely stooping to their level.
People are so quick to throw around the word "ignorance" when everyone here (including myself) is truly ignorant to the effects of atomic bombs. The United States has never had to deal with something like that.
But arguing that causing hundreds of thousands of innocent people to die of radiation poisoning isnt as bad as slaughtering groups in other ways is just absurd. It was definitely stooping to their level.
People are so quick to throw around the word "ignorance" when everyone here (including myself) is truly ignorant to the effects of atomic bombs. The United States has never had to deal with something like that.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 11:56 pm to Pkin
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Breesus you've been arguing both sides, not sure if you're just trolling.
I'm not trolling. I'm also not picking a "side". That's the problem in America today. Everyone has to pick a side. It's impossible to have a discussion about a topic because everyone has to pick a side and assign a belief to that side and then defend it.
I'm just making sure yall keep to the facts.
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Does everyone you know think the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were justified and proud moments in American history?
What kind of a thoughtless unanswerable irrelevant dipshit question is this?
Posted on 8/5/15 at 11:58 pm to Pkin
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everyone here (including myself) is truly ignorant to the effects of atomic bombs
You could take a ww2 history class.....
Posted on 8/6/15 at 12:00 am to Pkin
It's sure easy to sit back seventy years later and armchair QB these issues.
My pop had Okinawa for an appetizer and he would have been in Operation Olympic on the Honshu Plain in late '45. He probably wouldn't have survived. Most respected estimates put Allied casualties in a Home Island invasion at 800k to one million dead soldiers.
War is all hell, and we did what we had to do in that scenario.
My pop had Okinawa for an appetizer and he would have been in Operation Olympic on the Honshu Plain in late '45. He probably wouldn't have survived. Most respected estimates put Allied casualties in a Home Island invasion at 800k to one million dead soldiers.
War is all hell, and we did what we had to do in that scenario.
This post was edited on 8/6/15 at 12:01 am
Posted on 8/6/15 at 12:00 am to Pkin
Absent the 2 bombs, the invasion and control of Japan would have resulted in the loss of millions of lives on both sides, DUE TO THE PROPAGANDA OF JAPAN AGAINST THEIR OWN PEOPLE, and logically an end to the Japanese culture as we now know it.
Also to note that Nagasaki was not the primary target, but a secondary one necessitated by the acts of Japan to prevent the bombing on the original primary target.
Also to note that Nagasaki was not the primary target, but a secondary one necessitated by the acts of Japan to prevent the bombing on the original primary target.
Posted on 8/6/15 at 12:01 am to Pkin
The US's actions after the war kinda prove our intent with dropping the bombs, vs. Japan's intent after conquering China.
The US was interested in ending the war and then they set about helping to rebuild Japan. Japan has never conquered and rebuilt. They conquered and then subjugated their enemies. To equate the two is ignorant.
The US was interested in ending the war and then they set about helping to rebuild Japan. Japan has never conquered and rebuilt. They conquered and then subjugated their enemies. To equate the two is ignorant.
Posted on 8/6/15 at 12:01 am to USMCTiger03
I haven't said anything that contradicts that post dude. Ease up.
Posted on 8/6/15 at 12:03 am to Breesus
That was 10 minutes ago dude. A lot had happened since then. 
Posted on 8/6/15 at 12:04 am to USMCTiger03
I've read paul tibbets autobiography... I don't really remember it being as drama filled as the OP stated. But it has been a minute.
Posted on 8/6/15 at 12:04 am to USMCTiger03
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the invasion and control of Japan would have resulted in the loss of millions of lives on both sides, DUE TO THE PROPAGANDA OF JAPAN AGAINST THEIR OWN PEOPLE
Exactly. Man, woman, and child old enough to hold a knife would have fought to the death thanks to the Jap war machine government. They would not have surrendered in a land invasion, they would cease to exist before that happened.
Posted on 8/6/15 at 12:04 am to Pkin
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Pkin
What's your relationship to Dooshay?
Posted on 8/6/15 at 12:06 am to ByteMe
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What's your relationship to Dooshay?
This post was edited on 8/6/15 at 12:08 am
Posted on 8/6/15 at 12:08 am to Pkin
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By more effective... You mean it killed more innocent citizens.
Saved more American lives, so frick off.
Posted on 8/6/15 at 12:09 am to NATidefan
ooops, nevermind, that's cause sweeney flew boxcar... for some reason I was thinking tibbets flew both.
Posted on 8/6/15 at 12:13 am to Pkin
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I'm a female. You can go fuk yourself at any given time.
Hillary, is that you? How's Bill and Monica?
Posted on 8/6/15 at 12:15 am to Pkin
Through the 20-20 hindsight of history, the notion that dropping the bombs saved far more Japanese lives than it ended is all but a certainty. Referring to this as speculation implies a connotation that is completely misleading. People have studied what the effects of a land invasion would be on both hundreds of thousands of American lives (which you seem to disregard as irrelevant for some reason) and millions of Japanese lives.
This is a country with a brainwashed populace and a maniacal military which committed unspeakable atrocities across the Pacific Rim, and made the mistake of surprise attacking a budding empire. Things could have been a lot worse for all parties involved, especially innocent Japanese civilians.
This is a country with a brainwashed populace and a maniacal military which committed unspeakable atrocities across the Pacific Rim, and made the mistake of surprise attacking a budding empire. Things could have been a lot worse for all parties involved, especially innocent Japanese civilians.
Posted on 8/6/15 at 12:16 am to USMCTiger03
Anyway.
My grandfather was on the Hornet. I've never heard him talk about any aspect of the war other than when he got called to service and the first time he saw his ship.
A couple months ago he recounted the story of the Hornet sinking the last Japanese aircraft carrier. He was like a different person. Like his mind suddenly clicked on and he was describing the scene to me as his younger self was living it.
One of the most amazing moments of my life. It's going to kill me when he finally goes to the big sleep.
My grandfather was on the Hornet. I've never heard him talk about any aspect of the war other than when he got called to service and the first time he saw his ship.
A couple months ago he recounted the story of the Hornet sinking the last Japanese aircraft carrier. He was like a different person. Like his mind suddenly clicked on and he was describing the scene to me as his younger self was living it.
One of the most amazing moments of my life. It's going to kill me when he finally goes to the big sleep.
Posted on 8/6/15 at 12:17 am to Breesus
quote:I actually appreciate your view. Most in this thread has made it seem like it was an obvious decision--one way or the other--as if easier than mundane daily decisions. Too many are being disingenuous in their simplification of the decision.
I have no idea why im being bashed and down voted.
This post was edited on 8/6/15 at 12:18 am
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