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re: Insane Auburn Campus Fights Leads to Student Being Air Lifted

Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:37 am to
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:37 am to
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I mean that’s Zimmerman to a t to be fair


Did Zimmerman initiate the physicality?
Posted by More beer please
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Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:37 am to
Again Zimmerman didnt beat a defenseless unconscious person. So its apples and organges
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:38 am to
No one should be shocked pride is jumping into this thread 7 pages in to argue some nonsense point.
Posted by oleheat
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Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:38 am to
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It’s a fight. Dude lost. Should have walked away. Excessive beating. Sure. But under the law, at least if it were in Florida, completely legal.




You're an attorney?

If you are, remind me not to retain you.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:39 am to
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A lawyer you are not.
How did Zimmerman get off then? He was the pursuer and used stand your ground

You can follow someone and still enact the stand your ground defense. That is absolutely true. However, him beating on an unconscious person is absolutely a separate issue that’s a crime
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:39 am to
There is something broken in your brain.
Posted by Sun God
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Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:39 am to
LNCH and pride are about to battle

Stand back everyone
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:40 am to
No, we're not. pride's stupid takes are not worth the time.
This post was edited on 9/11/23 at 9:41 am
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:40 am to
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Did Zimmerman initiate the physicality?
He argued he didn’t

Do we know if this guy started the physicality?

Look, the kid is 100% guilty because he beat on an unconscious person. But following someone doesn’t mean you can’t enact stand your ground, as Zimmerman illustrated. The poster is right there. What matters for stand your ground as you pointed out is who started the physical altercation/escalation of violence threat
Posted by WDE24
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Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:41 am to
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How did Zimmerman get off then? He was the pursuer and used stand your ground
Zimmerman didn’t use Florida’s Stand Your Ground law in his defense. So I’m not sure why that is your example.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:41 am to
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Again Zimmerman didnt beat a defenseless unconscious person
as I have pointed out multiple times
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:42 am to
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You don’t know 2 and 3. I’m only going off the evidence. Which is the video. George Zimmerman was following Trayvon Martin. That was not a crime. When they started fighting, Zimmerman used deadly force. That also, was not a crime.


Well, I stand corrected. You really are stupid enough to believe what you just said.
Posted by Bourre
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Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:42 am to
Did Zimmerman follow Travon with the intention to initiate a vicious assault or was Travon the aggressor?
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:42 am to
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Zimmerman didn’t use Florida’s Stand Your Ground law in his defense. So I’m not sure why that is your example.
They absolutely did during the trial

Pre-trial they didn’t
Posted by Tiger Prawn
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Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:43 am to
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It’s not against the law to walk anywhere or merely follow anyone.
No, its not. But you’re not going to convince a jury that you were standing your ground and legally acting in self defense when you followed your victim home from a bar after a verbal altercation. You can’t carry out a premeditated attack on someone, then claim SYG.

Then on top of that, SYG only applies until the threat is neutralized. So even IF this would’ve otherwise been a SYG situation, the SYG defense goes out the window once the guy continues pummeling the head of an obviously unconscious guy.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:43 am to
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They absolutely did during the trial
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O'Mara would later say, after the trial had concluded, that he had not relied during the trial on the Stand Your Ground provision of the law because Zimmerman had not had an option of retreating.[45] O'Mara would also say that he ultimately had not sought a pretrial immunity hearing because his case for defense would have been revealed during the hearing to the prosecution, which would have put the defense team at a disadvantage had the immunity request been denied and the case proceeded to trial.[45]
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:44 am to
Where did you go to law school?
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:44 am to
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Did Zimmerman follow Travon with the intention to initiate a vicious assault or was Travon the aggressor?
And that is the question that matters, and would be the same exact thing that matters in this scenario as well up until the beating of the unconscious person.

Once he is beating on him unconsciously, that’s a completely separate clear as day crime on his part.
Posted by oleheat
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Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:44 am to
I'm sure most of those saying this was completely legal would be screaming M U R D E R if the victim had shot him before he blacked out.

Believe it or not, people have the right to avoid permanent brain damage (grave bodily harm)- even if it means the end of a good guy trying to get his life together.


Best guess: This guy is going to The Big House.
Posted by TDTOM
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Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:45 am to
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Where did you go to law school?



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