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re: In a disturbing sign (anecdote) of the economy struggling

Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:10 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:10 am to
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How much of that spending resulted in how much inflation?

That will take some years to do the math on.

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How much is Trump responsible for, how much is Biden?

By March 2021? Probably close to 100:0. Biden's big spending hadn't even really started by that point I don't believe.

The ARP was signed into law in early March 2021. I doubt any money from that was spent for at least a month or two. Also, spending from that plan did not just dump 100% of the total spending on the economy. I imagine what was spend from March-December 2021 is peanuts compared to Covid spending in 2020.

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What steps were taken by both Trump and Biden to mitigate inflation?

Neither did much.

The Fed under Biden raised raised rates to combat inflation, but that is an independent agency so Biden doesn't get credit.
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:10 am to
Like this chart? I don’t see you speaking out about this factually incorrect information. Like I said, it’s hard to take this board’s “moderates” serious when yall always land on one side of the aisle and are inconsistent with your criticisms

This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 8:15 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:14 am to
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And Biden sent it into warp speed with the American Rescue Plan

Naw. A better description is that it extended the window of inflation.

Spending from the ARP is supposed to be completed by 2026, so we'll feel it probably into 2028.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:15 am to
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Like I said, it’s hard to take this board’s “moderates” serious when yall always land on one side of the aisle

I'm not a moderate, I'm an actual conservative... not being led by a man who was a democrat into his 50s. You, and many just like you, don't realize you're the actual RINOs here.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:15 am to
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I haven’t seen any of yall criticizing Biden’s spending




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Then you had other leftist posting charts, like below, that completely ignored Biden was in office.

You could have just said you gave up and don't have any substantive responses instead of making yourself look worse, my dude.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:16 am to
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Like this chart? I don’t see you speaking out about this factually incorrect information.

Ok, you've shown you just want to look as dumb as possible.

A shining beacon of MAGA rhetoric on display, ITT
Posted by Brian Wilson
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:18 am to
That's also known as business development for small businesses. Never knew this was a sign of a struggling economy. You're telling me in a good economy work seeks you out instead of you having to seek it out yourself?
Posted by UptownJoeBrown
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:21 am to
Things are slowing down for sure.

Ferrari 308/328 prices are finally starting to drift downward from the Covid pop.

Red or yellow?
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 8:22 am
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:21 am to
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By March 2021? Probably close to 100:0. Biden's big spending hadn't even really started by that point I don't believe.

The ARP was signed into law in early March 2021. I doubt any money from that was spent for at least a month or two. Also, spending from that plan did not just dump 100% of the total spending on the economy. I imagine what was spend from March-December 2021 is peanuts compared to Covid spending in 2020.


Today, since that is the point of the thread.

I'm not denying Trump spent, but pretending this is all Trump's fault, and Biden was just managing the ship, is asinine and just your TDS leaking through.

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Neither did much.

The Fed under Biden raised raised rates to combat inflation, but that is an independent agency so Biden doesn't get credit.


This is a rather stupid and avoidance post.

So, neither did much huh?

Tell me, what happened under Biden's administration regarding the border? Do you think adding 20 million illegals to the country impacts out economy?
What happened to energy prices under Biden? What steps did Biden make to combat them, long term? We all know he released millions of barrels from the strategic reserve at the end of 24, right before the election, but what caused energy prices to skyrocket?
What energy policies did Biden cancel day 1 of his administration?
What happened to the ports under Biden?
What specific economic policies did the Biden administration enact that grew the private economy?

Now, conversely, what has Trump done in the last 9 months to combat inflation?
What has Trump done regarding the border?
What has Trump done to lower energy prices? (approach $2/gallon currently)
What has Trump done to bring jobs back to the United states?

You understand this, slow, but you won't say it because the TDS won't allow you to say it. Both Trump and Biden spent too much. The difference, is that there are actions taken by Trump to grow GDP that is tangible that can be linked back to direct action from his administration. I can't think of 1 single policy by the Biden admin that combatted inflation.

And, if you really want to dig in, we can equally blame Obama for his reckless spending. I think we all remember the "Magic Wand" comment and the "Those jobs just aren't coming back." Then Trump and his magic wand came in and "poof", the jobs came back.

So, be a little intellectually honest here, and stop pretending your too ignorant to udnerstand.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
40361 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:24 am to
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I was here explaining how years of the initial inflation were caused by Trump's Covid policies/spending, only to have idiots try to argue with me



the biggest inflationary event was dropping the rates to 0 in March 2020 while white collar workers income largely was unaffected if anything they saved money working from home on gas.

Caused a boom in remodels, additions to the house and moving while supply chain was completely fricked
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:27 am to
Yeah the combination of trillions being printed and immediately circulated and 0 rates made things go boom, for sure.

EVERYTHING had a bubble, from houses to NFTs to crypto to high-end luxury-sports cars
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
23921 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:27 am to
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I'm not a moderate, I'm an actual conservative


This must be in y’all’s playbook. It’s a go-to talking point

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not being led by a man who was a democrat into his 50s. You, and many just like you, don't realize you're the actual RINOs here.


So was Reagan. What’s your point, retard? Everyone who followed Reagan is a RINO too?
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
31687 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:28 am to
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This economy blows yet the current administration is trying to gaslight us into thinking its all unicorns and rainbows

People don't like being lied to


We're at the beginning of a tremendous transition in society.

You don't think any of those jobs are coming back do you?

Once automation and AI take them, they're gone.

This is just the beginning. It will get worse quickly and we have no clue how to prepare or deal with it.
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 8:50 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:30 am to
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I'm not denying Trump spent, but pretending this is all Trump's fault

Strawman. Literally nobody argued this is all Trump's fault

You even responded to a post specifically responding to another poster's framing through March 2021, with the post specifically responsive to that framing, explaining how the impact of Biden's spending simply hadn't hit the economy to be able to cause inflation yet.

Was it ALL Trump's fault through March 2021? Pretty much, yes.

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This is a rather stupid and avoidance post.

....how?

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So, neither did much huh?

To combat inflation? Not really.

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Tell me, what happened under Biden's administration regarding the border? Do you think adding 20 million illegals to the country impacts out economy?
What happened to energy prices under Biden? What steps did Biden make to combat them, long term? We all know he released millions of barrels from the strategic reserve at the end of 24, right before the election, but what caused energy prices to skyrocket?

And now you pivot to largely unimpactful partisan policies

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You understand this, slow, but you won't say it because the TDS won't allow you to say it.

I understand the bait and switch you just tried to pull off on the back of a strawman, yes.

Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
21129 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:31 am to
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So was Reagan. What’s your point, retard? Everyone who followed Reagan is a RINO too?

Looks at Reagan's spending habits, anti 2a bills signed off on, amnesty, signing therapeutic abortion into law while governor of California... textbook RINO. I can see why you're so confused by the label.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:32 am to
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This must be in y’all’s playbook. It’s a go-to talking point


Well yeah. You still never answered this directly

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How is criticizing Trump for spending like a DEM (more than DEMs, in fact) landing on "the democrat side of policy and debate" exactly?


My initial criticisms of Trump were his leftist economic policies.

Now the criticisms have largely shifted focus to retarded talking points and NPC logic, but the economic leftism never ended.

How is criticizing economic leftism somehow supporting DEM policies?
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
40361 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:33 am to
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Yeah the combination of trillions being printed and immediately circulated and 0 rates made things go boom, for sure.



i deal with a lot of warehousing, logistics, and building supply companies.

in 2020-2022, the story was all the same. Sold more than i have in stock, orders keep coming in, lead times are out the arse, price increases haven't slowed down orders

2023 is when i saw a pretty big pull back as the supply chain started to correct itself and companies had too much inventory or rightsizing their inventory but the price increases were all baked in by that point.

Some regional stuff at play here too. The hurricanes in Louisiana caused lumber/construction materials companies to do better or the freeze in Texas in combination to supply chain made the plumbing supply companies have banner years.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57898 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:35 am to
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....how?


I will show you, follow me as i go through your responses.

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To combat inflation? Not really.


I listed off quite a few things that caused increases in inflation and COGS. You just avoided them.

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And now you pivot to largely unimpactful partisan policies



See again, avoidance.

So, you are telling me that energy, supply chain, and the private market is not impactful to inflation or the economy? Or are you just arguing this because it makes your post look stupid?

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I understand the bait and switch you just tried to pull off on the back of a strawman, yes.


It's not a strawman just because you don't like what it's pointing to. In fact, you love that term but i dont' think you understand what it means.

How do you combat inflation, in a broad sense? You either A) cut spending and/or B) grow the economy.

I gave you examples of Trump growing the economy. I gave you examples of Biden policies that directly crippled the economy. In fact, Trumps policies, that i cited, to grow the economy were in direct response to fix the Biden policies to cripple the economy. And you call this, strawman... That's very telling of you. The wise lawyer, no so wise here.

This isn't hard.

Biden increased spending, and shrank the economy.
Trump increased spending, and is growing the economy.

There is a difference. Pretending Trump isn't better economically than the left is just TDS.

ETA: and stop upvoting your own posts. It's pathetic.
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 8:38 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:52 am to
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I listed off quite a few things that caused increases in inflation and COGS. You just avoided them.

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See again, avoidance.

No. You're avoiding the actual discussion by focusing on strawman arguments and irrelevant partisan talking points.

The dishonesty in your rhetoric is trying to equate the economic impact of those talking point to the trillions spent on Covid in 2020 (and 2021).

Take fuel. The total spend on fuel is between $450B and $550B per year.

$100B sounds like a lot, until you realize the Covid spending in 2020 alone was over $2.6T. I almost put "around $2.5T" until I realized the difference in my two figures accounted for basically the max you could blame on gas price increases. And you have to account for the % of that $100B attributed to Biden alone. Same with illegals (total net something like $100-150B).

Peanuts. That's why nobody who is trying to discuss the actual impact of inflation on the economy is using those partisan talking points.

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I gave you examples of Trump growing the economy.

Not in 2020-2024, the time frame we are discussing.

Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53541 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:56 am to
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We're at the beginning of a tremendous transition in society.

You don't think any of those jobs are coming back do you?

Once automation and AI take them, they're gone.

This is just the beginning. It will get worse quickly and we have no clue how to prepare or deal with it.

We're all going to be unemployed and yet also rich living off of that sweet government UBI.
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