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re: I'm taking legal action against the Office of Motor Vehicles
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:15 am to eitek1
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:15 am to eitek1
quote:First, that is an excerpt of a statute that specifically deals with alien individuals. There is some ambiguity there. Second, the federal law referenced allows for certain exclusions. This situation may or may not fall into an exclusion. That is still unclear. What is clear is that your understanding of the law is very limited and your research into the issue is incomplete. You may win in the end. I’m not going to dig deep enough to know, but your son is going to lose.
That’s from LA 32:409.1
This post was edited on 11/9/24 at 8:27 am
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Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:17 am to Gravitiger
quote:
A learner's permit is not a driver's license.
Agreed, but they all (TIP, Learners, Class E) use LA 32:409.1 for the application requirements.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:17 am to SUB
quote:Not getting a social security number doesn’t exempt someone from SS taxes. It just makes them mostly unemployable.
The average person pays almost half a million & into social security over a lifetime. OT bawlers pay somewhere into the billions. This is no small hill
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:17 am to BeachDude022
quote:
You actually found a lawyer to take this case?
Not it
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:19 am to eitek1
quote:
That said, if you don't have one, this doesn't apply to you.
Do you believe it's possible to avoid paying federal income taxes?
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:19 am to eitek1
quote:Then you should report that to law enforcement, because it is illegal.
The folks at the DMV would disagree with you. They give licenses to illegals all the time. Like I said, they just punch 888-88-8888 in the field for the SS number. I know this for a fact.
Also, how do you know it as a fact? Unless you did it yourself, you're relying on what someone told you, which is just hearsay. They could be full of it.
This post was edited on 11/9/24 at 8:35 am
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:20 am to WDE24
quote:
First, that is an excerpt of a statute that specifically deals with alien individuals. There is some ambiguity there. Second, the federal law referenced allows for certain exclusions. This situation may or may not fall into an exclusion. That is still unclear. What is clear is that your understanding of the law is very limited and your research into the issue is incomplete. You may win in the end. I’m not going to dog deep enough to know, but your son is going to lose.
That’s the same thing the manager at the DMV said. She is incorrect, as you are.
There are specific rules for the dept. in that same paragraph. The Dept. isn’t an alien individual yet the law is called out for them, there.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:20 am to eitek1
quote:The law says "driver's license or renewal." A strict construction of the statute on its face says it does not apply to learner's permits.
Agreed, but they all (TIP, Learners, Class E) use LA 32:409.1 for the application requirements.
This post was edited on 11/9/24 at 8:21 am
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:20 am to eitek1
I bet if you cut his penis off they won’t deny your daughter a learners permit
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:22 am to eitek1
quote:There is a reason you didn’t post the full statute
That’s the same thing the manager at the DMV said. She is incorrect, as you are.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:22 am to SUB
quote:funny you mention that…I’m retiring in april and am in the midst of planning our income and expenses…if I start benefits at 65 and live another 15 years after that I will receive $625,000 in SS income less taxes.
The average person pays almost half a million & into social security over a lifetime.
that’s assuming the plan stays as is
maybe I’d have done better privately maybe not. I did well on my voluntary investments so perhaps I got screwed but at this moment I’m glad to have it
This post was edited on 11/9/24 at 8:24 am
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:23 am to rocksteady
quote:
Best thing for your son is a Walmart 18 wheeler explodes your car, settlement goes into a trust for him, he gets a couple years with a non piece of crap foster family, and of course, is issued a SS#
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:25 am to eitek1
quote:
If my son chooses to get a social security number he can do that.
Did you ask him if he wants to get a SSN so he can get his permit before deciding to sue the gov? How long will it take for the suit gets resolved?
I received my SSN when I was 16 as well. I have no clue why my dad didn't get me SSN at birth like everyone else. Although, I'm pretty sure it was a function of procrastination not protest.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:26 am to WDE24
quote:
There is a reason you didn’t post the full statute
'
They never do
But they will show up to court with 200 pages of selectively quoted materials
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:26 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Do you believe it's possible to avoid paying federal income taxes?
I guess anything is possible but that’s not what’s happening here. No one is trying to avoid paying federal income taxes, myself included.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:30 am to SuperSaint
quote:
Sounds like you've decided to make both you and your son's lives unnecessarily complicated
What a shitty take, he made the decision and said his son can go get one if he wants. Why willingly kowtow to the government? if he's willing to put up with the hassle (which clearly he is, and is taking it even further via legal action), more power to him and my hat's off to the dude.
I wish I'd had a choice in the matter of Social Security, considering how much I've paid into it over the years and the strong likelihood I will never see a single red cent of that back. frick the government.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:31 am to WDE24
quote:
There is a reason you didn’t post the full statute
Here’s a link to the full statute. It’s a bit long…
LA 32:409.1
This is the important paragraph…
(vi) Social security number. Any alien individual residing in Louisiana who does not possess and is ineligible to obtain a social security number shall not be required to furnish a social security number for issuance of a Class "E" driver's license. However, prior to the issuance of a Class "E" driver's license, in addition to other required documentation, the department shall require the alien individual to present a document demonstrating lawful presence in the United States in a status in which the alien individual may be ineligible to obtain a social security number. The list of acceptable documents demonstrating lawful presence shall be determined by the department. The department shall maintain confidentiality of an applicant's social security number. The department shall not deny any person a driver's license or a renewal if that person has not obtained a government-issued social security number based on Section 7 of Pub. L. 93-579 Section (a)(1).
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:32 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Not it
C'mon, It'd be fun for you. Just give us a play by play of how it turns out for the OP...
And while you're at it... at least get the OP's son an SSN so he can avoid this nonsense in the future.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:33 am to eitek1
quote:Good. He would not be able to drive to get there.
the possibility exists my son never does have to get a job
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:33 am to cgrand
another thing of note…my company “takes” part of each employee’s salary and deposits it into a SEP every year for them. It is technically voluntary to participate but it’s an all or nothing deal (everyone or nobody) so in effect it’s involuntary. We force each employee to save for retirement
what’s the difference?
what’s the difference?
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